Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 23 Jul 2021 03:47

Geoff Walden wrote:
22 Jul 2021 16:48
Geoff Walden wrote:
20 Jul 2021 14:26
Beside Hitler - ? (In some ways she does resemble EB in early days, which this postcard was, since it refers to Hitler as Reichskanzler, not Führer.)
Next - almost certainly Adjutant Wilhelm Brückner. Next, very likely press chief Otto Dietrich. Next, Heinrich Hoffmann and his wife Erna.
The more I thought about it, the more I realized we had discussed this photo before. But I couldn't find that discussion. It's not in this thread, but in Women in the Reich.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=250347&hilit=hochlenzer

Just a thought ... If that wasn't Eva Braun, sitting next to Hitler, then who was it?
I posted that postcard long time ago... I have my doubts... a lot of people said is not Eva... I think she is!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 23 Jul 2021 04:04

Hans1906 wrote:
19 Jul 2021 10:47
Photo a little bit enlarged and "sharpened", the group was looking on something like a map on the table.

Signature: "Phot. H. Huber, 1077" probaly a former photographer for the Hoffmann company.


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My bet: Sofie Stork, H. Hoffmann, Otto Dietrich, Wilhelm Bruckner, Eva and AH.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 23 Jul 2021 14:33

I would say she looks more like Gretl than Eva, personally.

The other woman is Sofie Stork, I agree!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 23 Jul 2021 14:36

Do any folks here have other photos showing the radiators under the picture window?

Pre-May 1945, they were encased in radiator covers — but I am interested in seeing photos of them without the covers, if possible.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 23 Jul 2021 16:33

Oh that poor Bechstein piano!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 23 Jul 2021 16:44

Biber wrote:
23 Jul 2021 16:33
Oh that poor Bechstein piano!
Yes, very sad...up in smoke with everything else in that room.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by ihoyos » 23 Jul 2021 19:47

I doubt Hitler had an piano Bernstein, since Bernstein was Jew

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by ihoyos » 23 Jul 2021 20:08

In fact was a Bechstein, 100 % German piano

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 23 Jul 2021 23:14

CPB: Nice photograph, I've never seen that one before, especially with the piano frame laying on the floor.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 23 Jul 2021 23:58

Duane Becker wrote:
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CPB: Nice photograph, I've never seen that one before, especially with the piano frame laying on the floor.
It's visible in other photos too though hard to see amongst the detritus on the floor. I don't think I've ever seen it from that angle.

My dad visited there when he was in the army stationed at Vaihingen. He didn't say much about it, just that it was a big room. Of course the charred bones of a grand piano wouldn't have meant anything to him at the time, if it was still there when he visited.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 24 Jul 2021 14:18

CPB wrote:
23 Jul 2021 14:36
Do any folks here have other photos showing the radiators under the picture window?

Pre-May 1945, they were encased in radiator covers — but I am interested in seeing photos of them without the covers, if possible.

Chris
Chris,
Are you looking for a good view of the radiator knobs?
:D
I looked through my photos previously and didn't find any that showed a knob, but I will go back and pull up a couple that show the radiators themselves.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 24 Jul 2021 14:22

Geoff Walden wrote:
24 Jul 2021 14:18
CPB wrote:
23 Jul 2021 14:36
Do any folks here have other photos showing the radiators under the picture window?

Pre-May 1945, they were encased in radiator covers — but I am interested in seeing photos of them without the covers, if possible.

Chris
Chris,
Are you looking for a good view of the radiator knobs?
:D
I looked through my photos previously and didn't find any that showed a knob, but I will go back and pull up a couple that show the radiators themselves.
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Yep…exactly that.

Thanks Geoff, I have a surprising number of photos showing the radiators, but none that are sufficiently close up.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 24 Jul 2021 14:24

Biber wrote:
23 Jul 2021 23:58
Duane Becker wrote:
23 Jul 2021 23:14
CPB: Nice photograph, I've never seen that one before, especially with the piano frame laying on the floor.
It's visible in other photos too though hard to see amongst the detritus on the floor. I don't think I've ever seen it from that angle.

My dad visited there when he was in the army stationed at Vaihingen. He didn't say much about it, just that it was a big room. Of course the charred bones of a grand piano wouldn't have meant anything to him at the time, if it was still there when he visited.
There was a great detailed analysis of photos like this one, showing the remains of the piano, on Wehrmacht Awards Forum a few years ago. The goal was to show that the Bechstein piano had indeed been present at the end of the war when the building was burned, to counter the claim of some museum or auction house, that they had this piano in their collections. The analysis compared the burned parts that can be seen to intact parts of Bechstein pianos of the model that was supposed to be in the Berghof. To me, it was a very interesting and eye-opening discussion.

PS - Chris, congrats on that acquisition! Really nice provenance.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 24 Jul 2021 16:07

Geoff Walden wrote:
24 Jul 2021 14:24
There was a great detailed analysis of photos like this one, showing the remains of the piano, on Wehrmacht Awards Forum a few years ago. The goal was to show that the Bechstein piano had indeed been present at the end of the war when the building was burned, to counter the claim of some museum or auction house, that they had this piano in their collections. The analysis compared the burned parts that can be seen to intact parts of Bechstein pianos of the model that was supposed to be in the Berghof. To me, it was a very interesting and eye-opening discussion.

PS - Chris, congrats on that acquisition! Really nice provenance.
Interesting claim. Grand pianos aren't easily looted. That would have to be one hell of a well equipped souvenir hunter!

What information is therr regarding removing things prior to the building being torched?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by TePe » 25 Jul 2021 11:23

viewtopic.php?p=2354594#p2354594
I'm 99% certain that this photo is taken at Gaststätte Hochlenzer.
Not so sure it´s Eva Braun besides Hitler, wasn't her hair blond at that time ?

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