Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 31 Aug 2021 14:08

Meine Ehre heisst treue?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by headwest » 31 Aug 2021 14:09

Ah couldn't make it out

My Honor is truthful?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 31 Aug 2021 14:11

Literally: "My honor is called true." The motto found on SS belt buckles. Others can speak better as to how it figures more generally with the SS.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 31 Aug 2021 14:28

"Treue" is usually translated in English as Loyalty. It's another of those German phrases that is difficult to translate directly into English, so it's usually given as "My Honor is Loyalty."
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 31 Aug 2021 21:34

I just received via mail the book "Der alte Obersalzberg bis 1937" Hard back in great shape. Those of you who are researching history of the Obersalzberg before the Nazi take over, I highly recommend this book. I've seen it offered for sale at several websites via a google search. Although in German, its not too difficult to work your way through the text. I am slowly learning the language and I can get through the book fine, the titles, peoples names, and events are always translated the same in English, and if you just concentrate on the pronouns, and words like 'mitt' with and 'aus' from, us English speaking folks can stumble through the text pretty good.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by headwest » 01 Sep 2021 16:16

Are there any pics of the Berghof in winter? I have seen some of Hitler walking on his walk in winter, but i can't remember if I have seen any pics of the berghof itself in winter.

That must have been a treacherous drive as well up from town, or down into town, after a snowfall.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 01 Sep 2021 18:08

headwest, there are no photos of winter scenes of Berghof, or Wachenfeld. There are two pages devoted to Haus Wachenfeld with text covering the old owners and a general photo of side view of the Haus in summer-I've seen it very common.

Great book on Berghof in winter scenes is Hitlers Berghof 1928-1945 Zeitgeschichte in Farbe by Arndt 2003
Several photos showing Berghof in winter, shoveled steps, closeup of winter at Berghof.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Ernie Primeau » 01 Sep 2021 20:18

headwest wrote:
01 Sep 2021 16:16
Are there any pics of the Berghof in winter? I have seen some of Hitler walking on his walk in winter, but i can't remember if I have seen any pics of the berghof itself in winter.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mannheim » 01 Sep 2021 23:52

Great photos, Ernie! Thanks for posting.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 02 Sep 2021 13:06

Interesting to see the shutters closed. Perhaps indicative of the AH not being in residence at the time? The second photo is a good reminder that there was a narrow balcony on the top floor.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 04 Sep 2021 02:19

I can't see the images that Ernie posted - I hope these aren't duplicates.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 04 Sep 2021 16:20

"The second photo is a good reminder that there was a narrow balcony on the top floor."

Yes, I believe that balcony was part of the final renovation/expansion of the Berghof. Note that it doesn't exist in two of Geoff's photos above. That last renovation seems to have also added the basement entrance to that wing of the house, as well as a second bay window on the wing's front.

Here's another question: What was in the room above Hitler's study, the one with the three arched windows just under the roof's overhang? Are there any photos from inside that room?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 05 Sep 2021 06:43

Br. James wrote:
04 Sep 2021 16:20
"The second photo is a good reminder that there was a narrow balcony on the top floor."

Yes, I believe that balcony was part of the final renovation/expansion of the Berghof. Note that it doesn't exist in two of Geoff's photos above. That last renovation seems to have also added the basement entrance to that wing of the house, as well as a second bay window on the wing's front.

Here's another question: What was in the room above Hitler's study, the one with the three arched windows just under the roof's overhang? Are there any photos from inside that room?

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Hi Br J
I can't tell that the balcony doesn't exist in two of Geoff''s pics.
Which pics?
Can you show me what you mean?
All relevant pics show the balcony,[ both before and after the final renovation ] although the pic captioned "Winterstimmung am Obersalzberg" shows no detail - just a black rectangle.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 05 Sep 2021 07:27

Max wrote:
05 Sep 2021 06:43
Can you show me what you mean?
All relevant pics show the balcony,[ both before and after the final renovation ] although the pic captioned "Winterstimmung am Obersalzberg" shows no detail - just a black rectangle.
Hi Max.

By referring to the "black rectangle", I think you're looking at a different area - the top floor of the main house. I believe the balcony that Br James is talking about is on the extension.

Geoff posted five photos. Four of them show the end of the eastern wing. Photos 3 and 5 show the end of that wing as it was in the 1936 build, and photos 1 and 4 show it after the 1938 extension. The narrow balcony referred to is at the top of the 1938 extension, as shown here in the red circled area.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 05 Sep 2021 09:01

OK
Br. James quoted Biber
"The second photo is a good reminder that there was a narrow balcony on the top floor."
I thought Biber was referring to this Pic posted by Ernie Primeau [actually the 3rd not the 2nd pic.] because the balcony is usually not so obviously seen.
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Have I got it completely wrong? . . . Biber??

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