Berghof Obersalzberg

Discussions on the propaganda, architecture and culture in the Third Reich.
CraigM
Member
Posts: 75
Joined: 27 Sep 2019 08:18
Location: Canberra Australia

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 05 Sep 2021 10:50

Max wrote:
05 Sep 2021 09:01
I thought Biber was referring to this Pic posted by Ernie Primeau
Have I got it completely wrong? . . . Biber??
Actually, you're probably right! :)

User avatar
Geoff Walden
Member
Posts: 2573
Joined: 29 Mar 2002 14:50
Location: South of the Mason-Dixon Line

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 05 Sep 2021 14:46

Couple different spots referred to in this discussion. The balcony in question was for the two bedrooms on the floor above the bedrooms for AH and EB. One of these was Gretl Braun's room, called the "Türkenzimmer." I'm pretty sure this was the room above EB's bedroom (marked "1" here), but it could have been the adjacent room, which was evidently used as a guest room. Photos of this room are generally identified in publications as EB's room, but you can tell the difference because this room has a balcony door, and EB's room had no balcony. (We discussed this before in this thread, where I posted these plans, and CPB posted a photo from his collection that ID'd this room as the Türkenzimmer and Gretl's room.)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"Ordnung ist das halbe Leben" - I live in the other half.
http://www.thirdreichruins.com

User avatar
Geoff Walden
Member
Posts: 2573
Joined: 29 Mar 2002 14:50
Location: South of the Mason-Dixon Line

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 05 Sep 2021 14:52

The room above Hitler's office, which also had a balcony, was the "Untersbergzimmer" (so-named because of its view toward the Untersberg mountain, just as the Türkenzimmer was named because it looked toward the former Hotel zum Türken). This room, actually a suite of rooms, was used by Rudolf Hess until he flew off to Scotland. I've seen some other photos in addition to these, but I can't locate them now.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"Ordnung ist das halbe Leben" - I live in the other half.
http://www.thirdreichruins.com

User avatar
Geoff Walden
Member
Posts: 2573
Joined: 29 Mar 2002 14:50
Location: South of the Mason-Dixon Line

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 05 Sep 2021 15:08

Here is part of the house plan showing the Untersbergzimmer, a suite with living room, bedroom, bath, and "Loggia" balcony. I have always thought this seemed a much nicer room even than Hitler's, judging from the plans. This room also had a nice brown tile Kachelofen.
Untersbergzimmerplan.jpg
The room just above on the plan was one of the two discussed earlier - I believe this was a guest room adjacent to the Türkenzimmer. You can see the balcony door and part of the balcony there as well.

Note that the room at the upper right of this plan view also had a Balkon. This was one of the rooms in the upper part of the old Haus Wachenfeld section, generally used by Hitler's secretaries.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"Ordnung ist das halbe Leben" - I live in the other half.
http://www.thirdreichruins.com

CraigM
Member
Posts: 75
Joined: 27 Sep 2019 08:18
Location: Canberra Australia

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 05 Sep 2021 15:11

Geoff's right, there are indeed a couple of different spots under discussion here.

1. Br James started off talking about the balcony on the eastern wing with this: "I believe that balcony was part of the final renovation/expansion of the Berghof". This is referring to the 1938 extension which was the final one done.

2. Max was asking about the top floor balcony on the main building.

I hope that clears it up.

User avatar
Max
Member
Posts: 2532
Joined: 16 Mar 2002 14:08
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 05 Sep 2021 16:05

Br James started by quoting Biber and then going on to talk about the East wing balcony.
It will be interesting to hear which balcony Biber was actually referring to.
Greetings from the Wide Brown.

User avatar
Helly Angel
Member
Posts: 4894
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 20:00
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 05 Sep 2021 19:50

Another postcard frome the Berghof dated 25 december 1938. I have the original.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Helly Angel
Member
Posts: 4894
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 20:00
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 05 Sep 2021 20:05

Not the same moment but is the same place that Geoff posted in a color postcard. In the back says "Wohnraum" by Hoffmann.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Helly Angel
Member
Posts: 4894
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 20:00
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 05 Sep 2021 20:09

I always thought that this photo during the construction of the Berghof was of the main balcony. Now I realize that it is a side balcony. In the picture, Gretl Braun at the left and Marion Schönemann.

Eva Braun´s photo from NARA.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Br. James
Member
Posts: 707
Joined: 27 May 2013 20:45
Location: Baltimore

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 05 Sep 2021 21:21

These last notes on this thread are excellent! The photo just above in note #6429 is really exciting, especially since I didn't have any idea that that balcony on the south side of the main house was even there! That whole area under the main roof's overhang is always in shadows in photos, but to see Gretl Braun and Marion Schönemann standing there is wonderful!

It's also great to see the information about the "Türkenzimmer" and the "Untersbergzimmer," plus the fact that Hess would stay in the "Untersbergzimmer" suite, which included the balcony above Hitler's study, when he was a guest at the Berghof. Wonderful information indeed -- many thanks to Geoff, Helly and all who continue to provide such interesting notes for us!

Br. James

User avatar
Helly Angel
Member
Posts: 4894
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 20:00
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 06 Sep 2021 05:29

Thank you very much friend, for your kind words! Geoff actually inspires me with his idea of presenting the before and after. Every day we learn more! From that same period, here AH with another unidentified gentleman, inspecting the clean work on that terrace.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Br. James
Member
Posts: 707
Joined: 27 May 2013 20:45
Location: Baltimore

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 06 Sep 2021 14:23

"Every day we learn more!" I couldn't agree more heartily, Helly!! Thanks so much for your latest addition...though sorry to say that I have no idea who that unidentified gentleman is, either...

Keep 'em coming, friends!

Br. James

CPB
Member
Posts: 408
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 20:42

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 06 Sep 2021 16:18

Helly Angel wrote:
06 Sep 2021 05:29
Thank you very much friend, for your kind words! Geoff actually inspires me with his idea of presenting the before and after. Every day we learn more! From that same period, here AH with another unidentified gentleman, inspecting the clean work on that terrace.
Great photo, where did you find this?

User avatar
Helly Angel
Member
Posts: 4894
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 20:00
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 06 Sep 2021 21:01

Hello CPB, is one of the Eva Braun´s pictures collection in NARA, sorry I can´t remember which album is, are a lot!

Biber
Member
Posts: 473
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 22:56
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 07 Sep 2021 11:02

Max wrote:
05 Sep 2021 16:05
Br James started by quoting Biber and then going on to talk about the East wing balcony.
It will be interesting to hear which balcony Biber was actually referring to.
Sorry for not replying sooner, we had holiday weekend and I didn't bring my laptop home.

I was referring to the small balcony above AH's bedroom.

Return to “Propaganda, Culture & Architecture”