Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 06 Nov 2021 15:36

The architect's source for his statement was probably Albert Speer's Erinnerungen, although that's not exactly how Speer described it. Speer said that when the window was open and the breeze was unfavorable, "a strong smell of gasoline" came in through the window from the garage.
(Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, New York, The Macmillan Company, 1970, page 102)

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In a recent German TV documentary, a German architect described Hitler's own building plans as pure "dilettantism":

"The exhaust fumes from the garage below continuously flowed through the large hall..!", that was his statement.
But it's interesting that people are still speculating about the Berghof...

All this shit is still an issue, very surprising, that something like this is still present in the German media....
Not sure about the source, maybe later.. ? :?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 08 Nov 2021 15:05

Thanks to Geoff for the correction,

I only read "Erinnerungen" from 1969, and "Spandauer Tagebücher" from 1975, both in the original german editions,
the translation(s) in english language are unknown to me, sorry.

Unfortunately, I don't remember all the details from either work, it's also been many years since I read both books.
Much of what is known about Speer today was unknown territory just a few decades ago, as I'm sure many of you will attest...

Berthold Konrad Hermann Albert Speer https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by headwest » 08 Nov 2021 17:23

I saw a special somewhere where someone said that exact thing, that he built the great room over the garage and it would waft fumes in

but it isn't over the garage, so i think it does make more sense that if the window was open some fumes could waft in, not that it was built over the garage so even with the window closed the room would fill with fumes

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by WW2 Historian » 08 Nov 2021 19:52

Any developments on the burial site of Dietrich Eckart?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 10 Nov 2021 17:07

WW2 Historian: Not sure if you seen this in the Berchtesgadener Anzeiger, but there's a small paragraph about the grave site in an article on the old Cemetery from the November 7 edition:
https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... 63503.html

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by WW2 Historian » 10 Nov 2021 20:19

Duane Becker wrote:
10 Nov 2021 17:07
WW2 Historian: Not sure if you seen this in the Berchtesgadener Anzeiger, but there's a small paragraph about the grave site in an article on the old Cemetery from the November 7 edition:
https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... 63503.html
very helpful, that is what I was looking for...
timely, this article is only a few days old... thank you!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 10 Nov 2021 21:29

When I was visiting Berchtesgaden in May of 2019, I walked through both cemeteries and at the newer one up on the hill past the traffic circle, there was a caretaker working on some stuff. Since I am a groundskeeper for two cemeteries at home where I live, I am interested in cemeteries. I asked him in my terrible German if he spoke English-he said he did. I asked him regarding the abandoned plots and what they do when families are gone and don't take care of the plots any longer. He mentioned that they lease out the plot to future people.
I think they did the same thing with Hitler's sister Paula's plot...Anyway, my guess is that soon the Eckart grave will be available for someone else to use. Really depends if someone out there is still maintaining the Eckart plot.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mannheim » 10 Nov 2021 22:55

I was there in October 2019 and the local authorities had decided to cut down the two beautiful trees which used to flank the gravesite.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 11 Nov 2021 15:49

It also depends on if the grave is a historic grave. For example, the grave of Anton Adner in the Old Cemetery is a recognized historic grave, and remains even though there has been no family to pay for maintenance for decades. Many other graves in the Old Cemetery are similar, and in fact, the entire cemetery is under Monument Protection laws.
BUT, these rules and laws are not always applied to “criminal” graves, and I am frankly surprised that Dietrich Eckart’s marker and grave have remained there this long. I am pretty sure the marker (at least) will eventually be removed by the authorities.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 11 Nov 2021 17:12

Good article on the Obersalzberg Documentation Building in the 11/11/21 edition of the Berchtesgadener Anzeiger:

https://www.berchtesgadener-anzeiger.de ... 64351.html

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Annelie » 11 Nov 2021 21:28

When one travels around Germany one realizes that what Geoff says is correct.

For instance Albrecht Dürer Died: April 6, 1528, Nuremberg, Germany and is and always
will be remain. :milwink:

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Project X » 19 Nov 2021 20:17

I can warmly recommend this new book with hundreds of great photos (many of which are said to have never been published):
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 19 Nov 2021 20:37

In Germany, one "buys" a gravesite for a maximum of 30 years, after which this grave is released for further burials.

The perpetual cost of a "grave of honor" is borne by the city or municipality, the validity is limited, whoever does not pay will be plowed under, sooner or later...

Someone has to pay, even in eternal death. 8-) Very simple.

But all this does not refer to the historical cemeteries that are present, for example, here in the city of Wiesbaden, especially for the ancient Jewish cemeteries, very special places...


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1967, after the the funeral of my grandfather, a former comrade planted a young oak above his grave, for whatever, the oak is a strong tree nowadays, and will grow...
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Duane Becker » 20 Nov 2021 17:41

Project X: The book, "Obersalzberg Eine Reise durch Bewegte Zeiten, who is the publisher? Doing a quick search on Amazon, I noticed that it is not listed there, Can you tell me where it is for sale? Thanks for you reply...

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by v60pih » 21 Nov 2021 02:16

Duane, search for 9783982281100

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