The myth of Sparta

[Egon95]

Hi

When I make enquiries about the "vision" of Darré, Rosenberg, Himmler and other nazis ideologist have of the society they wanted to built I'm always surprised by the comparison that we can make between these (awful) dreams and the spartian society (http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/GREECE/SPARTA.HTM) ...

I think the comparaison of the Third Reich to Sparte is far much better than the comparaison with the teutonics knigts who were after all deeply pious unlike the nazis ...

Have you ever thought about that similarity ? did the nazis have ?

[Prit]

I can't remember the details, but Goering's speech immediately prior to the fall of Stalingrad made comparisons with Leonidas and his troops at Thermopylae.

I don't recall any other explicit Spartan references, though.

Prit

[Polynikes]

I can't remember the details, but Goering's speech immediately prior to the fall of Stalingrad made comparisons with Leonidas and his troops at Thermopylae.

I don't recall any other explicit Spartan references, though.

Prit

Strange comparison for the Nazis to make - they went to Stalingrad to win against a supposedly weaker enemy.

At what point was the sub-human Soviet horde deemed to present an overwhelming force to Army Group South?

Cheers from Rich

[Polynikes]

Whoops, DP.

[Egon95]

I'm thinking about the similarities between

. the concept of sub-humanity and the famous helots (the agricultural slaves who worked for the spartans)

. the importance of the war in their respective societies (at the age of seven, every male Spartan was sent to military and athletic school. These schools taught toughness, discipline, endurance of pain (often severe pain), and survival skills. At twenty, after thirteen years of training, the Spartan became a soldier. The Spartan soldier spent his life with his fellow soldiers; he lived in barracks and ate all his meals with his fellow soldiers. He also married, but he didn't live with his wife)

. the importance of the blood (like almost of the greek cities and contrary to Rome which was very generous on that matter, Sparta always refused to give his citizenship to a person who couldn't trace his ancestry back to the original habitants of the city)

. the importance of the state (the ideology of Sparta was oriented around the state. The individual lived and died for the state)

. the eugenism (the state determined whether children, both male and female, were strong when they were born; weakling infants were left in the hills to die of exposure)

. the racism (spartans looked themselves as the only pure greek people and have always the feeling to be surround by ennemies)

. the reject of democracy (Sparta was governed by a dual monarchy and a collegium of five men, the ephorates)

. the reject of culture (unlike Athen, Sparta had no monuments, no philisophers, no writers, nothing which could dismiss people from war and disciplin)

...

It's not surprising to learn that to a question from Degrelle asking if Hitler was german or european, Hitler 'd have answered "I'm greek".

[Egon95]

And of course we cannot forget that (in Ecce Homo), Nietzsche compare himself to Dyonisos !!!

[Cantankerous]

I can't remember the details, but Goering's speech immediately prior to the fall of Stalingrad made comparisons with Leonidas and his troops at Thermopylae.

I don't recall any other explicit Spartan references, though.

Prit

The passage from Hermann Goering's speech on January 30, 1943 referencing the Spartans is as follows:

My soldiers! Most of you will have heard of a similar example from the great and formidable history of Europe. Even though at that time the numbers involved were small, ultimately there is no difference in the deed as such. Two-and-a-half thousand years ago, an infinitely brave and daring man stood in a narrow pass in Greece with 300 of his men; Leonidas stood with his 300 Spartiates - men from a race famed for its courageousness and daring. An overwhelming majority, ever-renewed, constantly engaged this small troop. The heavens darkened from the number of arrows which were shot. Then, too, it was an onslaught of hordes which crushed the Aryan men here. A formidable number of warriors were at Xerxes' disposal, but the 300 men did not yield or tremble; they fought and fought a futile battle - yet one far from futile in its significance

Link:
https://www.academia.edu/44732151/Lycur ... 21_11_2020_