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who was the author of this poem?

Post by panzertruppe2001 » 06 Jul 2004 18:58

I always think that this poem was wrote by Berthold Brecht, but i discovered that some sources mentioned Pastor Martin Niemoller, member of the German resistance

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.


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Post by Helly Angel » 06 Jul 2004 21:09

I knew this. My source said Niemoller but...

I think this would be a postwar invention.

Other interesting item:

Letter from Martin Niemoller to Hitler

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"November 15, 1933.

In this decisive hour to our Fatherland and German People, we greets our Führer. We are gratefully with his brave position and his word, protecting the German Honor. In name of the 2.500 protestant priest that not belong to the "union of German Cristians" we confirm to you our strong faith in you and we make praids.

Martin Niemoller".  
If you want the version in spanish let me know.

Best,

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Post by panzertruppe2001 » 07 Jul 2004 19:25

Thanks Helly Angel

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first they came

Post by HaEn » 08 Jul 2004 15:28

Hello.
Pastor Niemöller is one of those persons often quoted with his poem.
Unfortunately the thing has been altered so many times that it is hard to find the original.
To be sure, Herr Niemöller was originally supportive of national socialism, because he thought that it would bring law and order and respect for the churches back to Germany, which was in an awful mess.

Here is an interesting quote from a website about him:
Sorry it is rather lengthy !!!.

The quotation with a life of its ownEverbody loves to quote Martin Niemöller’s lines about moral failure in the face of the Holocaust: 'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.'

But interestingly, people use the quotation to imply different meanings – even altering it to suit their purpose. When Time magazine used the quotation, they moved the Jews to the first place and dropped both the communists and the social democrats. American Vice-President Al Gore likes the to quote the lines, but drops the trade unionists for good measure. Gore and Time also added Roman Catholics, who weren't on Niemöller's list at all. In the heavily Catholic city of Boston, Catholics were added to the quotation inscribed on its Holocaust memorial. The US Holocaust Museum drops the Communists but not the Social Democrats; other versions have added homosexuals.

Why history matters, DD Guttenplan, The Guardian, Saturday April 15, 2000:

‘The Nazis did not come first for the Jews, as Peter Novick explains in his brilliant and provocative new book, The Holocaust in American Life, "First they came for the Communists" - a circumstance acknowledged by Niemöller, who continued, "but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me." The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC is just one of those who, in Novick's phrase "prudently omits" Communists from Niemöller's homily.

For the whole text just type in "Niemöller" in any search engine, and take the one titled "Hitler rages . . etc".


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Post by panzertruppe2001 » 08 Jul 2004 17:20

Thanks again people, that is another proof that about the Nazi era there are a lot of distortion

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Post by Helly Angel » 08 Jul 2004 23:01

Thank you HaEn!

Saludos, Panzertruppe!

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