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Germania / Berlin
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The thread on Germania went downhill rapidly so I'm starting a new one.
Has anyone read "Von Berlin nach Germania" by Hans J. Reichhardt & Wolfgang Schäche?
/Marcus
Marcus Wendel
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(1/31/02 7:38:29 pm)
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Another book
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The same goes for "Architektur: Arbeiten 1933-1942"
/Marcus
Ozzy
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(1/31/02 8:03:11 pm)
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There are several books written by Speer available at Amazon com.
This postcard (15x10,5 cm) shows the German pavilion at the EXPO in Paris in 1937. At the back you can read: 25 Paris, Pavillon de l´Allemagne, Architecte: M.Speer, Collaborateur Francais: M.Courréges, (Arch.): MM. Coudert, De Jankowski, Hugonenq, SAP
Timowr
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(1/31/02 8:10:25 pm)
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M. Speer?
Thorfinn
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(1/31/02 8:56:26 pm)
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I have both of those books. I recommend both of them to anybody that is interested in the grand architecture of the Third Reich.
Be aware that "Von Berlin nach Germania" does contain the arbitrary anti-Third Reich passages that many Germans feel compelled to include with any works relating to the Third Reich. It also contains good information about the designing, reorganization, and planning that Albert Speer did to effect the transformation of Berlin.
I, of course, consider "Architektur. Arbeiten 1933-1942" to be very good reading for any architect, or anybody that is interested in architecture, especially Third Reich architecture. It will also give you an insight into the ideology of Speer himself.
Here is a better picture of the German pavilion from the 1937 Paris Expo.
Daniel Feltmate
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(1/31/02 10:30:31 pm)
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Marcus, thank you for the new thread.
That thread went down faster than Janet Reno.
Thorfinn
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(2/1/02 12:03:11 am)
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Here are a couple of related books that are worth reading.
"Erinnerungen" http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3 ... 17-8895234
"Architekten. Albert Speer und Speerplan" http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3 ... 17-8895234
Here are some pictures.
Steve
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(2/1/02 1:57:31 am)
Reply Great Pictures Thorfinn!
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I saw the German Pavillion in the DVD "Third Reich in Color" for the first time recently.
I am glad you reopened this thread. Hopefully it will not be infected again.
Here I am walking across Luitpold this past May...
It was an incredible experience being at those sites after seeing the pics of the 30's and 40's for so long (like yours above).
-Steve
Ray the K
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(2/1/02 4:18:18 am)
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Here are a couple of related books that are worth reading:
Matthias Schmidt: _Albert Speer: The End of a Myth_
Gitta Sereny: _Albert Speer: His Battle with Truth_
Dan Van der Vat: _The Good Nazi: The Life and Lies of Albert Speer_
Edward Zilbert: _Albert Speer and the Nazi Ministry of Arms_
Best,
Ray
eXo
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(2/1/02 1:20:11 pm)
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'tho I haven't seen *a lot* of his work, what I did see was really beautiful (IMHO), looks indeed kinda Roman. It has something of 'greatness' about it. Well that's how I feel about it.
Albert Speer website:
http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/speer/welcom.htm
BTW, Hitler was an architect too, does anybody have examples (pictures maybe) of buildings he designed?
Thorfinn
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(2/1/02 8:31:49 pm)
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BTW, Hitler was an architect too, does anybody have examples (pictures maybe) of buildings he designed?
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This is Hitler's sketch for the Große Halle. There are more pictures of sketches/models of the Große Halle here : pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumthirdreich.showMessageRange?topicID=3491.topic&start=1&stop=20
This is Hitler's sketch for the Volkswagen Beetle. He did it on a napkin in a Munich restaurant in the summer of 1932. Originally, he called it the Kraft durch Freude car.
Adolf Hitler's early sketch for a new bridge at Linz.
The new bridge was called the "Nibelungen Bridge" (from the ancient myth of the "Nibelungen Way"). Here is a construction picture.
Hitler chose Bernhard Graf Plettenberg to design figures from the Nibelungen myth to decorate the bridge. "Siegfried" and "Kriemhild" were put at the bridge's south end. Here is "Siegfried".
The finished Bridge with buildings. A shortage of steel caused the suspension design to be put aside for the less attractive design that was used.
Here are some of Hitler's paintings.
Rotterdam Cathedral, signed A. Hitler, dated 1913.
Alt Wien, Ratzenstadl. The last word is slang for "rat infested", or "hot with rats".
Hitler's Alt Wien, Ratzenstadl drawing.
Hitler's Alt Wien, Ratzenstadl painting.
Also, Hitler designed many of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, and German military uniforms. He designed the NSDAP and German flags as well. Adolf Hitler designed everything from the largest buildings to smallest insignia.
"The paintings in the collections I bought over the years were never acquired for private purposes, but always exclusively for the establishment of an art gallery in my native town of Linz. It is my heartfelt desire that this legacy be fulfilled." – Adolf Hitler, from his Last Will and Testament, April 29, 1945.
Karl K 31
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(2/2/02 3:37:47 pm)
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what is left?
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I believe Speer received a Gold medal for the pavilion.
Thorfinn, is the bridge in Linz still standing? What Dreite Reich architecture has survived?
Cheers.
Diocletian
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(2/5/02 12:59:29 pm)
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A few pre-war Berlin photos.
Staatliches Schauspielhaus
Schiller Theater
Deutsches Opernhaus
Staatsoper Unter den Linden
Altes Museum
What's still there?
timo
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(2/5/02 3:11:31 pm)
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hey Steve, can you tell me where this picture is taken? I live currently in Germany and I'm looking to see historical sites.
timo
Ozzy
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(2/5/02 3:58:51 pm)
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I thought you don't like this forum...
dan
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(2/5/02 4:17:59 pm)
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The names are writen differently, they are in different locations, and their style of writing isn't the same.
welcome timo
dan
Ozzy
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(2/5/02 4:33:06 pm)
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Wow, you impress me. Is there a ruse sometimes when reading one sentence to be able to compare style of writing and determine the location?
Thorfinn
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(2/5/02 5:28:19 pm)
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Thorfinn, is the bridge in Linz still standing? What Dreite Reich architecture has survived?
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Yes, Nibelungenbrücke still lives. Despite the grandiose plans that Hitler had envisioned for the City of Linz, the only completed work was the Nibelungen Bridge. The Nibelungen legend statues were removed in 1945, but the bridge remains, to this day, a famed Linz landmark.
Here is a webcam of Nibelungenbrücke : http://www.r-kom.de/html/rkom/webcams/n ... encam.html
I think that this one is broken : http://www.servus.at/clickscape98/
Der Führer's Eagle's Nest still remains. It was heavily damaged, but it was restored. It is a place where, often, unrepentant Germans to pay their respects to Hitler, and the Third Reich.
War prevented Albert Speer from getting underway in Berlin. What was built was largely destroyed by vengeful Allies during, and after, the war.
The Brandenburger Tor had upper part of the gate, with its chariot and Goddess of Peace, destroyed during the war, but in 1957 the original moulds were discovered in West Berlin, and a new set was cut and presented as a gift to the people of East Berlin.
Hitler's Autobahnen still exist.
In Munich, adjacent to Königsplatz, Hitler had Troost build das Baune Haus, and the Führerhaus. They were a closely matched pair. Das Baune Haus, the NSDAP party headquarters, was blown up by the Americans at the end of the war. The Führerhaus had all things relating NSDAP and the Third Reich removed, and it now serves as part of the state archives. Each structure had the Führer balcony for Hitler's speeches to the masses. They both had a grand appearance outside, with a massive, open mainfloor, and a grand staircase to the second floor.
Troost on the buildings of the Third Reich : "They shall be eternal; not contemporary, nor of the year 2000, but stretching into the millennia to come."
Over onehundred theaters in Germany were destroyed during the war, and most of them were replaced.
In Berlin, the Staatliches Schauspielhaus was destroyed by a fire in 1817, and was then rebuilt in 1821, but it was destroyed again in 1945.
There was a reopening of the Schiller Theater in 1951, but it is now decommissioned.
In 1945, both of Berlin's large opera houses, the Staatsoper Unter den Linden, and the Deutsches Opernhaus in the Bismarckstrasse, layed in ruins.
The Staatsoper Unter den Linden was reopened in 1955, two months before the Vienna Staatsoper.
A reconstruction of the Deutsches Opernhaus, built in 1912 as a historical monument, was out of the question. It may have been that the controversial acoustical characteristics of the house, modelled on the Bayreuth Festival Theater, led to the decision to tear down the ruins of the auditorium. The winning design submitted to the jury was one which successfully integrated the partially surviving stage house, and the administrative and technical buildings, together with a completely new auditorium designed by Fritz Bornemann. The seating arrangement was without boxes (no more Führer-Loge), and retained the generous proportions of the orchestra stalls with two balconies, rounding these out with the fixed seating of 16 sled-like loges which channeled the viewer's attention toward the stage. The foyers, with their vast window areas, suggested an opera house open to the city itself, in complete contrast to the appearance of the old auditorium facade.
The Altes Museum, which had been largely destroyed during the war, was restored in 1966. It is one of the oldest, and artistically most significant, architectural works of Karl Friedrich Schinkel. It was one of first buildings in Europe to have been constructed expressly as a museum.
Here is a link to a webcam on Unter Den Linden in Berlin : http://www.dhm.de/zcam/
It is facing the Berliner Dom, and the TV tower.
Diocletian
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(2/5/02 6:43:21 pm)
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Thanks Thorfinn!
Where do you live? If I may ask.
I'm trying to find pictures/plans from the Führerhauptquartiere, Adlerhorst (which is the only one Speer constructed), Werwolf and Riese.
Unter den Linden before the war:
Thorfinn
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(2/5/02 9:45:16 pm)
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Where do you live?
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Germany is my home, but I am working in the USA right now. I go between my places in Germany, Norway, and America to do my work. Iceland is for relaxation.
There are good pictures, maps, ect. of the Führerhauptquartiere in a book called "Hitler's Military Headquarters : Organizations, Structures, Security, and Personnel". You can buy the book through this site : http://www.skalman.nu/bookstore-third-mil-various.htm
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(2/5/02 10:17:01 pm)
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<<This is Hitler's sketch for the Volkswagen Beetle. He did it on a napkin in a Munich restaurant in the summer of 1932. Originally, he called it the Kraft durch Freude car.>>
Take a look here:
pub3.ezboard.com/fskalman...D=50.topic
~Regards,
Ovidius
I think you confused me with TimoWR? 
