Hitlers Swastika, where did he get it?

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Post by Kaiserjäger » 29 Apr 2006 20:24

The ASEA (Allmänna Svenska Elektriska AB somthing like ''Public Swedish Electrisity AB) used the swastika untill 1933 when they changed.
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Post by Achtung Panzer! » 20 May 2006 09:21

In the Far East...The Swastika is better known as the religious symbol of Buddhism and Hinduism....there's even a school called the red swastika in singapore and has the..what else?..but the swastika as it's school symbol...

But surely the Thule Society was an inspiration to Hitler for adopting the Swastika as the symbol of Nazism..where people like Rudolf Hess,Alfred Rosenberg,Julius Streicher and Hans Frank were member

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Post by gencom » 21 May 2006 06:24

The Symbol used by the Nazis was not a Swastika (Dextrogyre) but a Sauwastika (Senestrogyre).
I always wrote on this forum a long post about the difference.
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Post by PropCollector » 04 Aug 2006 19:31

Photograph I made at the British Museum last wednesday.

Roman serving dish. Silver. 230-260 AD!!!!!!

btw, I also visited the IWM of course ;-)

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Post by Nautilus » 05 Aug 2006 00:48

gencom wrote:The Symbol used by the Nazis was not a Swastika (Dextrogyre) but a Sauwastika (Senestrogyre).
I always wrote on this forum a long post about the difference.
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Original users of the swastika, either rounded or in Hakenkreuz shape, did not make the difference between left-handed or right-handed in practice, it can be found in both forms on buildings and/or artifacts

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Post by gencom » 07 Aug 2006 17:15

Wrong Nautilus. The occultists (Gnostics etc.) did make the difference. Of course they were the original users, long before the nazis and the UK/US eugenics society.
In hermetism, this symbol represent the 4 élements (Air, earth, water, fire) in movement. I was used al over the world. From the east to the west, from the occident till orient.
It was even used by the catholics during many decades and the French monarchy (if one day you have to visit "Le Musée du Louvre" in Paris, you will see many Swastikas and Sauwastikas on the golden doors and paintings)
If you put the swastika on the hermetic "magical squaress" of each elements, you will find the arythmosophic number, hidden by the occultists long before the nazis The number is the same as the one used on the ancient calendar.
If you put the Sauwastika on these same hermetic Magical squares you will find a strange number...
Swastika is the symbol of Life, the sun, the fertility, the day, the light. Sauwastika is a the symbol of the dark, the night, the moon, the chaos. This is weel known by occultists long before the Nazis so the original users DID make the difference.
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Post by Phoenix » 07 Aug 2006 18:11

Another place Hitler might have gotten his swastika is WWI.

It was a popular lucky charm at the time (like a 4-leafed clover or a rabbit's foot), and many of the soldiers in WWI carried them into the trenches with them as a talisman to help get them through the war safely.

As Hitler and many of the other people active in the movement during the early years were veterans of the great war, that would have been a familiar symbol for them.

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 07 Aug 2006 20:13

The more I see of old Naiz media , the more convinced I am that Hitler looked at it as a runic "N" on top of a runic "S". When these are semi-emposed on each other and it is set like a diamond rather than a square it looks that way. "N" over an "S" . National Socialism. Take a good look at some of Hitler's uniforms and his NSDAP party pins , the " swastika" is streched too and really looks like an N and S, not symetrical like a "swastika". All the "symbolism" was not Hitler's idea rather it was developed that way as propaganda by the leaders of the "Nazi" cult primarily by Himmler and the SS. Hitler could have cared less.

This idea was first advanced on this forum by a dude named "Redman?" "Redmon?" a few years ago, he even had or has a website on it. At the time time I thought it was a silly idea , but since then from looking at enough photos of Hitler and NSDAP banners now, I am rather convinced of it myself. It's not a swastika, it's an N + S

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Re: Hitlers Swastika, where did he get it?

Post by Rainfall » 20 Jan 2021 22:37

ChristopherPerrien wrote:
07 Aug 2006 20:13
a runic "N" on top of a runic "S"
I have no clue how one has to connect these runes to create something similar to the Hakenkreuz.

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Did Hitler or another insider ever acknowledge that the Hakenkreuz was taken from the emblem of the Thule Society? I guess Hitler did not want the public to know that the NSDAP had been in touch with this occultist society.

The swastika of the Thule emblem differs from the Hakenkreuz. Its arms are not rectangular but curved. If the circle were closed, it would be a sun cross turned 45° to the left. This swastika, without the twist to the left, was used by the Deutsche Christen and on the Preußenturm of the Olympiastadion Berlin. I know of no other use in the Third Reich.

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Post by Max » 21 Jan 2021 00:07

HaEn wrote:
05 Apr 2006 00:56
The swastika as a symbol, was used on both sides of the atlantic, for thousands of years, before uncle Adolph.
In its oldest form it was rounded, and depicted the "Sunwheel" (Sonnenrad).
Th arms pointing either left or right were to denote the sun rising in the east and (hold on to your pants) the sun rising in the WEST.
The earth reversed it's poles several times in ancient history, and rulers of the time, on both sides of the ocean had to start "new" calenders, and set "new" four corners of the world.
Its use for "good luck " is directly tied in to the "Sunwheel" because the sun was thought (and is) the source of all life.
Adolph H. picked up his version of it, from a monastery in Austria, soemtime around the 1919/1920's.
I'll try to find the book in my attic describing this.
The reversal of the 'sun" can be found in a VERY interesting book, well documented, and well researched, by Dr. Emanuel Velikovski, named "Worlds in colission".
Happy reading.
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What, do you suppose, HaEn ment by this ? The poles have never reversed.
Even if he meant the geomagnetic poles,[which would not make the sun appear to rise in the west] the last time this happened was 780,000 years ago.
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Re: Hitlers Swastika, where did he get it?

Post by George L Gregory » 21 Jan 2021 20:44

deathdealerdelta wrote:
03 Apr 2006 22:25
Hello all,
I know that there has been some reference to Thor having something to do with swastikas and I was watching a program on the History International channel about the evolution of hunting and saw a swastika on one of the first recorded bows ever made. I also know that the swastika has been something to ward of evil spirits. I also know that the US military had a swastika for one of their unit emblems until the NAZIS came around. India also used the swastika on a shipping flag of theirs.

But where did Hitler get the idea from?

Was it from Thor, or something else?

The pics are of the shipping flag and of the US National Guards 45th Infantry Divisions patch.

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In 1935 Jörg Lechler explained it in a pamphlet titled Sinn und Weg des Hakenkreuzes (Meaning and Path of the Swastika) which appeared in the December edition of the monthly magazine Der Schulungsbrief.
Swastika – Reich Flag – Reich War Flag! A symbol has thereby became a symbol of unity for the German folk, which has accompanied its ancestors through Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age and early history, and German man through the Middle Ages down to the present time: 5,000 years of German history lie in the swastika!

Around the time of Christ, the swastika has been found among Germanic tribes on hundreds of urns filled with funeral ashes, on countless pieces of jewelry and weapons, clothes and equipment, so often that one can speak of a Germanic national symbol. And even 3,000 years before that time, hence farther back into the Stone Age of Northern Germany’s Nordic culture, from which the later Germanic folk first developed, we find the swastika. It is really tied to our homeland.

Now the scholars come and grin with superiority, or the world travelers, and say, each convinced of the correctness of his claim, naturally each something different: “But the swastika is of Chinese origin!” – Or: “It is a purely Indian symbol!” In short, there is nothing that it is not supposed to be, and the final thing is: all folks have had the swastika and not perhaps become acquainted with, borrowed or adopted it from another, no, the “idea of folks”, that is the escape. Human intellect is supposedly in its organization so much the same in the world that it simultaneously thought up the swastika in the most diverse locations and made it a symbol, independent from one another; the swastikas in the many lands supposedly have nothing to do with each other in their origin. – That is the same as if the Soviet star in Russia were not connected with the one in America or France in its evolution and had nothing to do with it. We know that, the other way around, precisely the closest ties are present. But how is it with things that lie so far in the past such as the history of the swastika? Can we still achieve clarity, can one still come to sure conclusions? We certainly can do this and want to see in what way this is possible!

If one does not want to lose the solid ground beneath one’s feet, one must in the observation of the history of the swastika proceed from the facts of findings in that one precisely examines the finds of swastikas in all excavations that, as we heard, are distributed across five thousand years. Only then can one form a picture of the journeys of the swastika in prehistory, if one exactly dates each individual uncovered piece and furthermore observes what significance the swastika on it can have, what meaning lies within it. Certainly, this laborious method is not so easily carried out as others, observations based on conjectures and assumptions. If we ascertain the age of all swastika finds, it is revealed that the oldest lie in Europe and that those of the same age are only found on a line following the Indo-Germanic wanderings of the late Stone Age, which, after all, emanate from Europe and lead across Asia Minor to India. The farther we distance ourselves from this region, the more recent do finds to date become.

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Re: Hitlers Swastika, where did he get it?

Post by ChristopherPerrien » 20 Feb 2021 18:49

Rainfall wrote:
20 Jan 2021 22:37
ChristopherPerrien wrote:
07 Aug 2006 20:13
a runic "N" on top of a runic "S"
I have no clue how one has to connect these runes to create something similar to the Hakenkreuz.

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I am far removed from debating this stuff as it is now verbotten. I really wish I could recall the website that presented such an argument. It probaby has been long removed by the force/forces of pc from the internet. My old post infers such, even back in 2006.

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Post by Hans1906 » 20 Feb 2021 20:42

"I am far removed from debating this stuff as it is now verbotten."

Christopher,

That's wrong, whatever you want to hang inside your house, on your very own walls, here in Germany, is up to you, even nowadays.

"Volksverhetzung" is the term.

Volksverhetzung: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung

Swastika etc. in public, however small, or large, then you can dress very warmly, rightly so!

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* If these laws would not exist here in Germany, then probably every second half-baked and right-wing extremist moron would walk around here with these symbols. It's very good the way it is, no question.
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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 09 Mar 2021 02:56

Sorry dude , I think the "Beer Hall Putsch" was glorious. And no , you can't have Nazi mementobilia in "Germany" now, just ask the dude who had a Panther tank in his garage.

Have something hanging inside your house/garage now when that happens? You're a dam nazi. I read about it every week in some bs news article. About some neunazi found.

Guilty , no doubt . Guilty of what ? nobody cares no more. Real History means BS . Only who writes the history. I suggest Genesis I-IV or any Holocuast Narrative. they are no different.

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