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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 12 Jul 2016 11:21

The FO still have something in FO 371/25642 that will not be declassified. The file is from Central (Germany) Department and it was supplied by MI5 so it's likely to be about a British citizen with links to Germans. This file concerns German peace moves.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 22 Jul 2016 12:58

The UK Information Commissioner intervened after someone contacted them about the outcome of their FOI request. They asked for FO 1093/11/1 (Folio 33) and the Foreign Office refused the request with the usual Section 23 exemption.The FO got someone from Hanslope Park to explain why they still could not release the file. The information was supplied by a Security agency and it's probably MI5. It's old information from June 1941 and I'm not sure retaining it on grounds of national security really matters now. So it is again likely to be about a British citizen with German contacts. This type of file about Hess was due for release next year with more from the Moscow Embassy in 2018. There should be a page of minutes included in the 2018 piece. Any reference to Folio 33 has been removed from the National Archives website but the FO have made a copy of most of what had been retained available to the National Archives.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 28 Jul 2016 11:52

It seems to be about a letter dated 21 May 1941 from Roger Fulford of MI5's F4 (counter subversion).

Lord Noel-Buxton is anxious to send a memo to R A Butler on behalf of (redacted) to begin peace negotiations. The MI5 source who the information came from is also redacted. This is Folio 33 and is classified on grounds of national security. The names of two British citizens (one seems to be a MI5 informant) who want to end the war with Germany cannot be known 75 years later. Maybe we get the truth next year.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 05 Aug 2016 10:45

Lord Noel-Buxton was a Labour peer so presumably the person who's name is redacted is Labour and Labour were part of the coalition government. This information was sent to Cadogan who referred to Noel-Buxton as the 'chief peace monger'. F4 monitored peace groups.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 03 Sep 2016 18:10

Re: FO 371/26542/C1303G (General correspondence, Central Dept. entered as Green, German peace moves.)

Apparently there is something, probably a minute written on the inside of the cover of this file, that MI5 want kept.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby Dutto1 » 07 Mar 2017 12:30

Hi AHF,

For those interested in Rudolf Hess, Nuremberg and Spandau I have a page on Facebook where I will be sharing some bits of my research. I will set up a thread on AHF in the future.

https://www.facebook.com/Rudolf-Hess-Nu ... 544144711/

Regards,

Ron

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby Lagami » 08 Aug 2017 08:33

I could swear that I once read an article about his questionable death that mentioned some cleaning woman or something similar in Spandau Prison who claimed she had seen some suspicious agents around the summerhouse right before Hess was dead. Or something like that, I only have a blurry memory of the article.

Did anyone here maybe read the same article I read and recalls it better and with a source?

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 27 Aug 2017 09:38

steiner42 wrote:There's a lot about this in now open security Service file KV/2/2839. Lonsdale Bryans' MI5 file is in it (PF52446)
Not sure if these are available: PF47996 Brocket
PF54784 Andersen O.E.


There was communication between the Prime Minister's Office and MI5 as late as 26 April 1941 about Lonsdale Bryans. Saw this in PF52446.

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Re: The Rudolf Hess Files

Postby steiner42 » 10 Oct 2017 22:27

Here's some more Foreign Office files that have been retained. The FO have yet to review and transfer to Kew quite a lot about Rudolf Hess in recent years. The Ministry of Defence have released most of what they had from 1987.

FCO 161/64 (The aftermath of the death of Hess)
FCO 161/69 (Interim SIB report)
FCO 161/70 (Final SIB report)


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