Westmark collar tabs/Trier Germany post 1934 pre 1938

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Westmark collar tabs/Trier Germany post 1934 pre 1938

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Post by ww2DAD » 18 Mar 2021, 22:19

Hopefully someone can help me with this question. We had a family member who was in the SA from 1930 (based on his cuff braid stripe) to about 1938. I am trying to find and document his history during this time period. We still have some of his pictures and uniform items. I am trying to find information on his unit or pictures on the collar tabs possibly worn by him. In his photos, except one, he is turned away and we can't identify his collar tab. We know he was with an SA group (possibly a reservist) in Trier, Germany. An early picture of him in uniform (pre 1934) shows a dark (black maybe) 21/29, with what we are told was blue or bluish background (pre-34 changes). In a later group photo (around 1936), persons sitting up front in the photo are wearing dark collar tabs (dark brown?) with white embroderded 29s. I am hoping someone one in the forum may be able to identify the possible SA Brigade(s) or Standarte(s) for Trier (pre 1938), or have pictures or examples of the possible collar tabs they wore in the 29th. I will post photos when I get the chance. We belive all the photos except the Zug school were done in the Koblenz/Trier areas.
Photos I have:
1930/31 - SA Fuhrerschule group photo, Ashaffenburg 2 Zug, no rank
1932/33 - Jr officer or senior NCO single photo, with 21/29 on tab can't see rank
Jan 1936 - Group photo SA Officer's refresher school, Koblenz - 3 pips on collar tab
1936 wedding photo - 3 pips on collar tab
1936 - Group photo 3 pips on collar tab (members with white 29 on tabs up front)
1937/maybe 1938 - Winter group photo 4 pips on collar tab

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Re: Westmark collar tabs/Trier Germany post 1934 pre 1938

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Post by Ignacio » 18 Mar 2021, 23:31

Hello

By September 1933 the SA-Brigade 52 was based in Koblenz-Trier, as a component of SA-Gruppe Westmark (Koblenz). Still under Gruppe Westmark, by 1936 the Brigade had been divided into Brigade 52 (Koblenz) and Brigade 152 (Trier). By then, a component of SA-Brigade 152 was SA-Standarte 29 based in Trier
Gruppe Westmark A3345B_121_0558.jpg
21/29 means the Sturm 21 of the Standarte 29.

Regards from Madrid

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Post by ww2DAD » 19 Mar 2021, 00:12

Ignacio,
Thank you very much. This adds to what you sent yesterday. Great info to finish this puzzle.
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Post by ww2DAD » 19 Mar 2021, 00:17

Ignacio,
Anyone have muster lists, or possible lists of leadership? Thank you.
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Post by ww2DAD » 21 Mar 2021, 19:27

So the search continues. We've narrowed it down to the Westmark/Mittlerhein SA 152 brigade, 3rd battalion, 29 standarte Trier, Germany about 1937. Anyone have history, information or photos of the 152 in Trier about 1935 to 1938? Thanks. ww2DAD.

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 16 Oct 2021, 13:37

About Westmark, collar tabs, could you give me the confirmation that this jacket belonged to this SA Gruppe?
24./reserve (standarte I imagine 79) and his shoulder are always fit on it since the time.
This vest came probably from Osterreich.
The personn who wore it belonged to the association Steel Helmet like we can see on the button and above the right pocket.
Thanks to the searcher who could tell me more, and put me on the good way to learn more.
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Post by Igor Karpov » 16 Oct 2021, 16:46

It's Reserve-Standarte R 79 (Goslar) from SA-Gruppe Niedersachsen.

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 16 Oct 2021, 18:27

Absolutely right Igor, all my congratulations. I great thanks to help me. There are about 7 hours that I was looking for...
Have a nice sunday.
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Post by ww2DAD » 17 Oct 2021, 05:08

Lodieu, great uniform. I just finished an original shirt that we think may replicate what my grandfather wore in 1937. Hardest part was the collar tabs.
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Post by Lodieu Didier » 17 Oct 2021, 08:12

You know, Mr ww2DAD, it's possible to find a true shirt from SA from thoses epics years. It's not su expensive.
I must say that Igor helps me to identifie the origine of this piece. I have another brown shirt with black piping around the collar. I will post it you like.
Have a great sunday and thanks for your interest.

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 17 Oct 2021, 20:14

You must write me on may direct email, because I don't undersand how it's works here.
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Have a great week.

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