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SA Düsseldorf (Brigade 75)

Postby PeterKatta » 11 Apr 2007 14:15

Titel: SA-Brigade 75 (Düsseldorf)

In tread viewtopic.php?p=1043557#1043557
was posted these informations:

Def.:

[AS01] := Andreas Schulz (09 Apr 2007 08:04)
[AS02] := Andreas Schulz (09 Apr 2007 09:17)
[PK01] := PeterKatta (09 Apr 2007 10:58)
[PK02] := PeterKatta (09 Apr 2007 23:31)
[PK03,x] := extended information PeterKatta (13 Apr 2007; [3722,x])
[PK04] = extended information PeterKatta (14 Apr 2007)
[3245] := Düsseldorf in alten Ansichtskarten (old postcards); 1982; ISBN 3-88189-117-x; 95pp
[3722] := Weidenhaupt,Hugo; Düsseldorf - Band 3 - die Industrie- und Verwaltungsstadt (20. Jahrhundert); ISBN 3-491-34223-6; 1989
This part (nationalsocialism) (in [3722,422-657]) is written by Peter Hüttenberger.
[6059] Dietz, Peter Erkrath in der Zeit der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft 2007 3-9810701-1-8 [PK04]
[6062] Stockhorst, Erich; 5000 Köpfe - Wer war was im Dritten Reich; 3-88741-116-1; 1967, 1985, 2000 (461 pp)

If I use books for example [3722,<page>] U will see.


Persons:

PeterKatta (09 Apr 2007 04:04):

FLORIAN, Friedrich Karl, preuß. Staatsrat, Gruppenführer of SA, MdR [PK03,502]

SCHÖNHOFF, Adolf () Of; Leader SA-Brigade 75 (label 004)
15.08.1934 - 28.02.1935 SA-Oberführer Adolf Schönhoff (m.d.F.b.) [AS01] [3722,515]
succesor of LOHBECK [3722,515]

GRISCHER, Walter () 1933 Leader SA-Brigade 75
call "Reinigungskommissar"/cleaner [PK03,272]
was 08/1933 "Truppführer des SA-Sturmes 26/39" [3722,611]
Rank: SA-Sturmführer [AS02]
ab 09.11.1934 SA-Ostuf. [AS02]
01.05.1934 - 01.04.1935 Stabsführer Brigade 75 [AS02][3722,611]
1935 "degradiert" [3722,611] (label 001)

KNICKMANN, () leader SA-Group Niederrhein (Düsseldorf)

Also, U could find in "Düsseldorf"/[3722]

THEURER, Jakob ()
normal job: "Holzhändler"
SA-Sturmbannführer [3722,515]

POEPPEL, Joseph
Representation of SA-Motorbrigade [PK03,516]

LOHBECK, Hermann (1892,Elberfeld-1945,Frankfurt/Oder)
15.12.1933 - 14.02.1934 SA-Standartenführer Hermann Lohbeck (m.d.F.b.) [AS01]
15.02.1934 - 15.08.1934 SA-Oberführer Hermann Lohbeck [AS01]
09.11.1942 Grf [axis]

ESCH, Erich
since 3/1933 Pg and Sturmführer of SA; [PK03,517]
died in war in arrest [PK03,519]

OTTO, Dr. Helmut
"Oberbürgermeister" (since 25.11.1937 proforma), doctor (med), lawyer, farmer [PK03, 524]
1.2.1931 NSDAP [PK03, 524]

HERZBERG, Kurt Stabsarzt [PK03,499]

SEILER, Heinrich SA-Brigadearzt, SA-Sanitäts-Standartenführer [PK03,500, 516]

WEIZEL,
"Polizeipräsident Düsseldorf", SS-Gruppenführer [PK04:[6059,97] ]

SA-Brigade, -Standarte, -Sturmbann, -Sturm Düsseldorf

- SA-Nachrichtendienst Brigade 75 [PK03,473]

SA-Brigade 147, Oberherrn

SA-MarineStandarte 21, Düsseldorf

SA-Standarte 39, Düsseldorf, vormals Standarte IV des Sturmgau Ruhr; ("39. Füsiliere")
- 1/1931: Sturm 88, 100, 135
- SA-Sturm R 7/39
- SA-Sturm R 22/39) (Düsseldorf-Oberkassel)
- SA-Sturm 26/39

since 01/1931 under Adolf HAHN [PK03,426]

I saw a picture of "39. Füsiliere" today.
Soldiers of popular "Niederheinisches Füsilier Reg. Nr. 39"
by shooting-exercices in "Aaperwald" nearby Düsseldorf (today Düsseldorf-Gerresheim) [3245,59; 03/04/1912]

Labels:

001: cause he see with an action in LOHBECK-FLORIAN-conflict in 1934
serious (very hard) illtreadment of a "SA-Mann" take through (SA-)companios/comrades.

002: GRIESCHER was (as Chief) responsible for the Problem of LOHBECK.
LOHBECK use an hippo-whip to attack another. [PK01][3722,612]; see label 004 too.

003: HENSEL (1899/Mannheim-) was a student, "Mitglied der DVP" (german party), and
1924 change to "Zentrumspartei" (german party), (political) leader of "Ortsgruppe Grafenberg" (in the east of Düsseldorf-Gerresheim); connection to young-katholics (Düsseldorf is katholic church; also today).
01/05/1933 he change to NSDAP, "Ortsgruppe (Düsseldorf-)Wersten" and a short time later he is in SA.
He had 08/1933 a conflict with "Walter GIRSCHER" cause a official formality,
so SA-Sturm 7/39 kick HENSEL on 13/08/1933.
So HENSEL go to SA-Sturm R 22/39 (here he ask 18/11/1933 for holyday until the end of 1933).
The meaning of HENSEL was he was unreiable in "PO",
so 1935 the "Ortsgruppe (Düsseldorf-)Wersten" try to kick him.
1935 he was also in "NSV", so he had a political doublelive.
In 1935 HENSEL had a discussion with EBELING ("Jungnationaler Bund", Ex"Freikorpsführer"), he hate the nationalsocialism cause the killing of RÖHM in 1934; discusion about work together with young katholics and national unions.
1936 some people from EBELING were arrested.
Now HENSELs problem is the contact to EBELING before so the conflict is also his problem.
LOHBECK use an hippo-whip to attack another. HENSEL saw the wale/weal on the head of them,
"Beigeordneter HAAS", and discribed this feelings in interrogation of GESTAPO.
Also HENSEL had a connect to (outlaw) "lehr. RUHRIG", a communist GÖRITZ (was in KZ Börgermoor) und help his Familie for this time. So the STAPO searching and gather all this information and more (contact to (outlaw) ROSSANT, to KPD) and the komumism agent Hans ISRAEL said that was right was HENSEL did.
Before that time HENSEL wrote an articel about ESCH-conflict posted "neuen Vorwärts",
so the GESTAPO had a long time with HENSEL and his friend for asking and ...
After this time HENSEL was arreted for (only) 2.5 years (use "Heimtückegesetz").
After this time he was an outlaw (for the people). [3722,611f]

Ok!? This was the story (aout HENSEL).
I don't find anything more about LOHBECK and FLORIAN in this pages.

Here is standing more infos:

The painter Karl SCHLESWIG talking about his time in the basement of the "Getreidehaus" under the rastaurant "Schlegelbrauerei" in "Bismarckstraße", member of Brigade 75 under LOHBECK torment their victims. [3722,451]

004 [PK03,465f, 471]:

SA-guys walked at 10.3.1933 under LOHBECK in the office of Herbert HAAS,
put them on his desk an illtreated him with riding-whips;
revenge, cause HAAS has some disputes with SA before.
HAAS was interested going in holyday, LEHR (main-Bürgermeister of Düsseldorf) would save him and order to discharge LOHBECK. LEHR think he was save and had no problems with FLORIAN,
so he help FLORIAN, but FLORIAN think also in another way, he play with LEHR,
looked for discharge LEHR, ... so LEHR and other leave their jobs at 13.6.1933.

005 [PK03,497f]:

In 1933 build Brigade 75 an undergroup and LOHBECK wass in hope for leader.
This job get Oswald FUCHS. LOHBECK was in meaning this was a work from FLORIAN.
LOHBECK get this job at 15.12.1933 from KNICKMANN, leader SA-Brigade 75.
LOHBECK had also a dispute with WEITZEL and cry to discharge him and FLORIAN.

FLORIAN was more drunken, destroyed the "SCHLAGETER-Heim" at 25.2.1934,
after this 2 guys take him out.
So FLORIAN reacted with "Strafantrag" cause "böswillige Verleumdung" and "niederträchtige Beleidigung".
Also the "Gauleitung" was interested drunken and "rabaukenhafte" SA-gangs called "Alte Garde" comes to be quit.
So FLORIAN, covered by WEITZEL, use his next chance to demight LOHBECK and his guys.

At 2.6.1934 SA-Brigade 75 had planed a parade for the "Alten Kämpfer",
but FLORIAN didn't approve this.
So the SA-gangs were very sad about this.
Some of these (Sturm 88, 100, 135) went to the "SCHLAGETER-Heim",
and LOHBECK called something about the problem.
Someone say the name FLORIAN and then serveral called "hang him up".
It was been 80 guys walked in Düsseldorf, ... and then they destroyed something on the steets and restaurant and also their guests in the evening.

So LOHBECK must give his job to SA-Oberführer Adolf SCHÖNHOFF.
WEITZEL hate LOHBECK arrested him in 3 times.
1935 LOHBECK got his rehabilitation.
1942 was LOHBECK Obergruppenführer.
SA-Stürmed was in cleaning after 30.6.1934,
1126 SA-guys must leaved his jobs.

pictures in [3722]:
Abb. 85 SA-guys as policeofficers, 1933 [3722,449]
Abb. 86 drawing (by Karl SCHLESWIG): illtreatment in "Schlegelkeller" (keller=basement) [3722,451]
Abb. 88 Initiation monument/memorial for SCHLAGETER, 1931 [3722,478][PK03]
Abb. 91 Dr. Helmut OTTO, Dr. Karl HAIDN [3722,]
Abb. 95 AH meets exibition "Schaffendes Volk, 1937": SPEER, FLORIAN, AH, WALTER, POENSGEN [3722,536]
Abb. 96 FRICK meets exibition "Schaffendes Volk, 1937": LIEDERLEY, FRICK, FLORIAN, EBEL, WALTER [3722,536]
Abb. 97 AH was driving in "Jakobistraße"; exibition "Schaffendes Volk, 1937" [3722,538]
Abb. 99 "Kunstausstellung 1944", WALTER, HEIDN, Gauleiter FLORIAN; [3722,544]
Abb. 101 day of national work, 1/5/1939 in "Rheinpark"
Abb. 102 ROSENBERG, FLORIAN, WALTER; way to countryoffice 06/1938
...

Sources:

Andreas Schulz (09 Apr 2007 08:04) = [AS01]:

Leaders of Brigade 75:
15.08.1933 - 15.12.1933 SA-Standartenführer Oswald Fuchs (m.d.F.b.)
15.12.1933 - 14.02.1934 SA-Standartenführer Hermann Lohbeck (m.d.F.b.)
15.02.1934 - 15.08.1934 SA-Oberführer Hermann Lohbeck
15.08.1934 - 28.02.1935 SA-Oberführer Adolf Schönhoff (m.d.F.b.)
01.03.1935 - 31.12.1936 SA-Oberführer (ab 20.04.1935 SA-Brif.) Franz Bock
01.08.1938 - 31.10.1938 SA-Standartenführer Vitalis Rolofs (m.d.F.b.)
01.11.1938 - 31.05.1943 SA-Standartenführer (ab 09.11.1938 SA-Of.) Vitalis Rolofs
(1944) SA-Brigadeführer Heinrich Thiel

PeterKatter (09 Apr 2007 23:31) = [PK02]

Before I do this I give U another story.
a) FLORIAN, (Friedrich) Karl was Gauleiter in Düsseldorf.
b) Of Hans GOEBBELS was director of insurance company "Provinzial" in Düsseldorf, (older) brother of
c) Joseph GOEBBELS
d) Oldest brother of c) was Konrad GOEBBELS

In 21/10/1935 Joseph GOEBBELS writing in his diary:
Konrad makes only trouble; AMANN cancel his job as director. In order of FLORIAN, ...
... I help him (FLORIAN) by the "Führer"(AH) some days ago.
That for my goodness. We will see what we can do.
It's not my deal, but Konrad is a respectable guy and a good "Nazi".

So ... FLORIAN is a man who sell his grandmother.
Last edited by PeterKatta on 14 Apr 2007 07:44, edited 4 times in total.

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PK03:

Postby PeterKatta » 13 Apr 2007 18:57

I put some new thing in my text; 4 example label 004, 005, some persons

Search for "[PK03," (simple PK03) and you'll find.

I'll continue,

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PK04 (14.4.2007):

Postby PeterKatta » 14 Apr 2007 07:46

new information about WEIZEL, ...


onla here (not in the first text):

[6059,97] talk about "Privatgefängnisse" of the SA and SS.
[6059,35] 24.5.1930 streetfighting between 2000 SA (arrived for this) and kommunism in Düsseldorf;
remember: one year before Albert Leo SCHLAGETER was killed.

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PK99: SA Erkrath and Mettmann

Postby PeterKatta » 14 Apr 2007 10:13

[PK99] SA-Erkrath (by away some SS cause this people were interesting)

FISCHER, Hermann
19.4.1934 in new "Gemeinderat" (of Erkrath) [6059,84f]
NSDAP: 1.8.1930, 303718
SA-Obertruppführer [6059,85]

KORNBÜCHEN, Willy
19.4.1934 in new "Gemeinderat" (of Erkrath) [6059,84f]
NSDAP: 1.5.1932, 1148533
SA-Truppführer [6059,85]

M., Georg [6059,140f] [(I don't know the name; realy)]
Reichspostbeamter; "alter Kämpfer" [6059,140]
SA-Obertruppführer [6059,140]
SA-Sturmführer [6059,141]
NSDAP: 1.11.1932 [6059,140]
M. bring someone to "Koburg"

VOGTS
SS-Mitglied, "Polizeihauptmann a. D." [6059,141]
"Polizeiverwalter" in Erkrath [6059,141]

HILMER, Kurt (-20.6.1932 (kill by kommunism))
SS-Scharführer [6059]

HILMER, Rudolf
SS; brother of Kurt

stations:

"Koburg", like a castle, was build from KOCKERSCHEID in Neanderthal.
Since 7/1933 SA-Standarte 258 (Mettmann) use the buildung, also for imprisonment and to illtreated someone.
At 4.7.1949 "Koburg-Prozeß". [6059,142f]
Someone told me SA and SS had big celebrations there (with drugs);
a this time owner was a dentist. [(I don't know the name; realy)]

"Aue" SA-Heim in Wuppertal-Elberfeld [6059,141]

also I've closed my work with [6059]

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Postby PeterKatta » 22 Apr 2007 18:06

I can't change the first text so I'm writing extended information here:

[3722K, position] := map "Düsseldorf zur Zeit des Nationalsozialismus" in the end of the book [3722]

SA-Gruppe, -Brigade, -Standarte, -Sturmbann, -Sturm Düsseldorf

SA-Gruppe Niederrhein [3722K, 12]

SA-Brigade 75 [3722K, 14]

SA-Nachrichtendienst Brigade 75 [PK03,473]
- SA-Nachrichtensturmbann I/Br. 75 [3722K, 18]

SA-MarineStandarte 21, Düsseldorf

SA-Standarte 39, Düsseldorf, vormals Standarte IV des Sturmgau Ruhr; ("39. Füsiliere") [3722K, 15]
- 1/1931: Sturm 88, 100, 135
- SA-Sturm R 7/39
- SA-Sturm R 22/39) (Düsseldorf-Oberkassel)
- SA-Sturm 26/39

since 01/1931 under Adolf HAHN [PK03,426]

I saw a picture of "39. Füsiliere" today.
Soldiers of popular "Niederheinisches Füsilier Reg. Nr. 39"
by shooting-exercices in "Aaperwald" nearby Düsseldorf (today Düsseldorf-Gerresheim) [3245,59; 03/04/1912]

SA-Reiterstandarte 75 [3722K, 17]

SA-Standarte 135 [3722K, 16]

SA-Standarte 258 Mettmann
- SA-Sturm 5/258 Erkrath

SA-Brigade 147, Oberherrn

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