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the hess conspiracy

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Post by graham23s » 17 Dec 2002, 01:46

hi guys i was wonderin what you all think about rudolf hess and the conspiracy surrounding him i come from scotland and i live about 5 miles from the field where he landed it has always intrigued me aparantly so i'v read he was actually killed in 1942 in a plane accident in scotland and then an imposter was made to imersonate him what do you's all think

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Post by Caldric » 17 Dec 2002, 01:52

After reading several historians on the subject I think the following happened:

Hess did not have authority from Hitler.

Hess did this to not only stop a war with the British but to impress the party also, mainly Hitler.

I think he lived in a fantasyland.

I do not think there is any mystery involved, just the naive thinking of Hess.

I also think Hess was chosen as successor for Hitler not because of his ability but because of his loyalty and him not having the ability to rise up against Hitler.


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Post by von Voltee » 17 Dec 2002, 02:22

I'll be the first to admit, my knowledge of Rudolf Hess is somewhat limited. However, he did play an important role in National Socialist Germany. In response to the previous post, I must say I agree with the Hess character profile, but I do feel there is some type of mystery involved. First being his death. Why would Hess, after spending so many years in prison just wake up on day and decide to kill himself? Knowing his fate, wouldn't it have made much more sense to do it years before? The topic is very interesting and I hope to see more responses.

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Post by Nagelfar » 17 Dec 2002, 02:24

well, stranger things have happened in history & I think Hess knew this... such as Napoleon showing up from exile, and his countrymen throwing down everything to join him again... Hess thought such a bold move would 'melt the hearts' of the british. now maybe if he wasnt going immediately into the hands of underlings which had no choice but to follow orders and arrest him upon his arrival, the inertia of the act would have had different consequences. but those without authority act on blind 'habit' as they should, and those above cant lose face by going against the regulation they themselves set down. without that factor though, I think Hess may have had a diplomatic chance to put forth his case.

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Post by Caldric » 17 Dec 2002, 02:29

His worse mistake was thinking people would want to throw Churchill out. Bad move on his part.

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Post by varjag » 17 Dec 2002, 13:35

IF nothing else, Hess at least managed to fan Stalin's suspicions to the end of HIS days. When will the the 'Hess files' in the UK be released? Or have they?

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Post by graham23s » 17 Dec 2002, 14:38

apparently so i'v read that in 1942 there was a mission to transport hess from one part of scotland to another there was 15 personell on the plane and it crashed all 15 bodies recovered then a few days later an airman crawled to a farm a few miles away makin it 16 guys on board but there was only officially 15 said to be on the plane and 15 bodies were recovered and supposidly hess was one of them so the british government tried to cover it up so as not to antagonise germany any more

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Post by Lobscouse » 17 Dec 2002, 19:41

We certainly would not want to antagonise Germany, back in 1942, would we?

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Post by graham23s » 17 Dec 2002, 20:03

the hess files were supposidly destroyed a few years back supposidly anyway theres that many conspiracy theories its hard to keep up

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Post by graham23s » 17 Dec 2002, 20:07

wrong choice of words not to antagonise but not to make them take out allied prisoners of war as retrobution for the killing of hess which they would have believed was intentional

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Post by Schwalbe » 17 Dec 2002, 22:15

I don´t think there was a conspiracy, just that Hess was mentally deranged.

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Post by David E M » 18 Dec 2002, 02:20

I don't think he was deranged, - unstable certainly, The files will be released in 2015 or something, problem is will they be 'sanitized' first?.
The biggest and for me, the most troubling question, is what are they trying to hide?. It was almost 60 years ago, who is trying to save who's reputation now?.
And yes I believe he was murdered, what I don't know is why.

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Post by tonyh » 18 Dec 2002, 13:02

I don't buy that Hess was cookoo in 1941 although he was extremely superstitious. And there might be a chance that, earlier, Hitler gave him the nod to contact people in England with a view to ending the war after Hess had disscussed it with Karl Haushofer and told Hitler that he had contacted the Duke of Hamilton. Hitler was jittery with the onset of Barbarossa and desperate to end the war with England and had asked Hess to contact his friends in England. Hitler had also wished to send his Berlin attorney Dr. Ludwig Weissauer to meet with British envoy's in Stockholm, who was subsequently snubbed when Churchill ordered the envoy not to go. Incidentally the Foreign office also intercepted Haushofer's letter to the Duke of Hamilton. However, Hitler was probably not too enamoured with the idea when it actually manifested itself. Hence his reaction to the letter that Hess's adjudant delivered after Hess had flown.

The myth the Hess was mad in 41 was actually put out by the nazi's, so that the other allies wouldn't get too worried by the event. By 1946 and the Nuremburg lynching, Hess was probably mentally unstable. But after his peace seeking mission to Scotland had resulted in the British, under Churchill's orders alone, slinging him in prison without a second thought and years of confinment, most people would be nuts.

I don't believe that he was killed in '42 though and that an imposter took over. If this is true then he was the best imposter in the history of the planet as he fooled everybody.

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