'The coming man'?
Erich Kuby who interviewed Heinz Linge extensively writes that Linge claimed Hitler said;' für den Mann der kommt nach mir' . (If my bad German grammar shows - pse excuse). Verbatim; for the man that comes after me. Kuby makes the relevant observation that this was the first time,recorded, that Hitler in any shape or form - intimated that there COULD be a Germany - after him. He could have meant Goebbels or Dönitz - but it is easy here to digest, that despite all - Hitler could see a future - for Germany and her people.Despite everything the propaganda had whipped up to the contrary in the final months.
Hitler's Last Words
Ha Ha!
May it have been: '' Which way do i point this damn gun?" Or, " Just swallow the pill Eva, damn it-i have to go somewhere too you know". No, seriously i think his last recorded WORD was "farewell" to Traudl Junge.
I can't say which were his last words, but I have no doubt he exchanged
them with Eva.
I'd dare say that if a last drop of unexpected humanity could still be found
in his heart, and knowing how he laid down his last wills, he will have
hinted to seeing all his dreams tumbled, how in all such a tragedy it was
of the utmost importance that both of them left an unforgettable mark
of coherence and loyalty to their people by chosing suicide as the unique
decent, or maybe glorious, way out, a little agreement on how to carry
it out in the most decent way (place, postures and precise target point)
and finally a couple of love words before pulling the trigger.
I don't think Eva led the final conversation, though. He certainly did that.
And then it was finally over.
Did I say over ?
Well, for the two of them of course, not really for mankind.
The windmills of terror didn't possibly equate those just ended, but
they started whirling again, almost to remind us that unless we care
to care, nightmares of that kind are always round the corner.
Angelo
them with Eva.
I'd dare say that if a last drop of unexpected humanity could still be found
in his heart, and knowing how he laid down his last wills, he will have
hinted to seeing all his dreams tumbled, how in all such a tragedy it was
of the utmost importance that both of them left an unforgettable mark
of coherence and loyalty to their people by chosing suicide as the unique
decent, or maybe glorious, way out, a little agreement on how to carry
it out in the most decent way (place, postures and precise target point)
and finally a couple of love words before pulling the trigger.
I don't think Eva led the final conversation, though. He certainly did that.
And then it was finally over.
Did I say over ?
Well, for the two of them of course, not really for mankind.
The windmills of terror didn't possibly equate those just ended, but
they started whirling again, almost to remind us that unless we care
to care, nightmares of that kind are always round the corner.
Angelo
WEll , could be or could be about someone he thought might be like him, to finish off thee things he started,varjag wrote:'The coming man'?
Erich Kuby who interviewed Heinz Linge extensively writes that Linge claimed Hitler said;' für den Mann der kommt nach mir' . (If my bad German grammar shows - pse excuse). Verbatim; for the man that comes after me. Kuby makes the relevant observation that this was the first time,recorded, that Hitler in any shape or form - intimated that there COULD be a Germany - after him. He could have meant Goebbels or Dönitz - but it is easy here to digest, that despite all - Hitler could see a future - for Germany and her people.Despite everything the propaganda had whipped up to the contrary in the final months.
heve you heard of this?
"The Bastard is dead, but the bitch who bore him is in the heat agan"
-Bertol Brecht
Sam
Last Official Statement?
His most likely last official utterances were made April 29, 1945, after he had already dictated his personal last will and testament. He then dictated a final political testament. There is no record of any subsequent official statement before he committed suicide the next afternoon.
My Political Testament
More than thirty years have now passed since I in 1914 made my modest contribution as a volunteer in the first world war that was forced upon the Reich.
In these three decades I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength, and my health in these three decades.
It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the control and limitation of armaments, which posterity will not for all time be able to disregard for the responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be laid on me. I have further never wished that after the first fatal world war a second against England, or even against America, should break out. Centuries will pass away, but out of the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred against those finally responsible whom we have to thank for everything, International Jewry and its helpers, will grow.
Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war I again proposed to the British ambassador in Berlin a solution to the German-Polish problem - similar to that in the case of the Saar district, under international control. This offer also cannot be denied. It was only rejected because the leading circles in English politics wanted the war, partly on account of the business hoped for and partly under influence of propaganda organized by International Jewry.
I have also made it quite plain that, if the nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility. I further left no one in doubt that this time not only would millions of children of Europe's Aryan people die of hunger, not only would millions of grown men suffer death, and not only hundreds of thousands of women and children be burnt and bombed to death in the towns, without the real criminal having to atone for this guilt, even if by more humane means.
After six years of war, which in spite of all setbacks, will go down one day in history as the most glorious and valiant demonstration of a nation's life purpose, I cannot forsake the city which is the capital of this Reich. As the forces are too small to make any further stand against the enemy attack at this place and our resistance is gradually being weakened by men who are as deluded as they are lacking in initiative, I should like, by remaining in this town, to share my fate with those, the millions of others, who have also taken upon themselves to do so. Moreover I do not wish to fall into the hands of an enemy who requires a new spectacle organized by the Jews for the amusement of their hysterical masses.
I have decided therefore to remain in Berlin and there of my own free will to choose death at the moment when I believe the position of the Führer and Chancellor itself can no longer be held.
I die with a happy heart, aware of the immeasurable deeds and achievements of our soldiers at the front, our women at home, the achievements of our farmers and workers and the work, unique in history, of our youth who bear my name.
That from the bottom of my heart I express my thanks to you all, is just as self-evident as my wish that you should, because of that, on no account give up the struggle, but rather continue it against the enemies of the Fatherland, no matter where, true to the creed of a great Clausewitz. From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations.
Many of the most courageous men and women have decided to unite their lives with mine until the very last. I have begged and finally ordered them not to do this, but to take part in the further battle of the Nation. I beg the heads of the Armies, the Navy and the Air Force to strengthen by all possible means the spirit of resistance of our soldiers in the National Socialist sense, with special reference to the fact that also I myself, as founder and creator of this movement, have preferred death to cowardly abdication or even capitulation.
May it, at some future time, become part of the code of honor of the German officer - as is already the case in our Navy - that the surrender of a district or of a town is impossible, and that above all the leaders here must march ahead as shining examples, faithfully fulfilling their duty unto death.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring from the party and deprive him of all rights which he may enjoy by virtue of the decree of June 29th, 1941; and also by virtue of my statement in the Reichstag on September 1st, 1939, I appoint in his place Grossadmiral Dönitz, President of the Reich and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsführer-SS and Minister of the Interior Heinrich Himmler, from the party and from all offices of State. In his stead I appoint Gauleiter Karl Hanke as Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police, and Gauleiter Paul Giesler as Reich Minister of the Interior.
Göring and Himmler, quite apart from their disloyalty to my person, have done immeasurable harm to the country and the whole nation by secret negotiations with the enemy, which they have conducted without my knowledge and against my wishes, and by illegally attempting to seize power in the State for themselves.
In order to provide the German people with a government of honorable men who will fulfill the task of continuing the war with all the means at their disposal, I, as leader of the nation, appoint the following members of the new cabinet:
President of the Reich: Dönitz
Chancellor of the Reich: Dr. Goebbels
Party Minister: Bormann
Foreign Minister: Seyss-Inquart
Minister of the Interior: Gauleiter Gieser
Minister of War: Dönitz
Supreme Commander of the Army: Schörner
Supreme Commander of the Navy: Dönitz
Supreme Commander of the Air Force: Greim
Reichsführer of the S.S. and Head of the German Police: Gauleiter Hanke
Trade: Funke
Agriculture: Backe
Justice: Thierack
Culture: Dr. Scheel
Although a number of men, such as Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels, etc., together with their wives, have joined me of their own free will and did not wish to leave the capital of the Reich under any circumstances, but were willing to perish with me here, I must nevertheless ask them to obey my request, and in this case set the interests of the nation above their own feelings. By their work and loyalty as comrades they will be just as close to me after death, as I hope that my spirit will linger among them and always go with them. Let them be hard but never unjust, but above all let them never allow fear to influence their actions, and set the honor of the nation above everything in the world. Finally, let them be conscious of the fact that our task, that of continuing the building of a National Socialist State, represents the work of the coming centuries, which places every single person under an obligation always to serve the common interest and to subordinate his own advantage to this end. I demand of all Germans, all National Socialists, men, women and all the men of the Armed Forces, that they be faithful and obedient unto death to the new government and its President.
Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, International Jewry.
My Political Testament
More than thirty years have now passed since I in 1914 made my modest contribution as a volunteer in the first world war that was forced upon the Reich.
In these three decades I have been actuated solely by love and loyalty to my people in all my thoughts, acts, and life. They gave me the strength to make the most difficult decisions which have ever confronted mortal man. I have spent my time, my working strength, and my health in these three decades.
It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted the war in 1939. It was desired and instigated exclusively by those international statesmen who were either of Jewish descent or worked for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the control and limitation of armaments, which posterity will not for all time be able to disregard for the responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be laid on me. I have further never wished that after the first fatal world war a second against England, or even against America, should break out. Centuries will pass away, but out of the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred against those finally responsible whom we have to thank for everything, International Jewry and its helpers, will grow.
Three days before the outbreak of the German-Polish war I again proposed to the British ambassador in Berlin a solution to the German-Polish problem - similar to that in the case of the Saar district, under international control. This offer also cannot be denied. It was only rejected because the leading circles in English politics wanted the war, partly on account of the business hoped for and partly under influence of propaganda organized by International Jewry.
I have also made it quite plain that, if the nations of Europe are again to be regarded as mere shares to be bought and sold by these international conspirators in money and finance, then that race, Jewry, which is the real criminal of this murderous struggle, will be saddled with the responsibility. I further left no one in doubt that this time not only would millions of children of Europe's Aryan people die of hunger, not only would millions of grown men suffer death, and not only hundreds of thousands of women and children be burnt and bombed to death in the towns, without the real criminal having to atone for this guilt, even if by more humane means.
After six years of war, which in spite of all setbacks, will go down one day in history as the most glorious and valiant demonstration of a nation's life purpose, I cannot forsake the city which is the capital of this Reich. As the forces are too small to make any further stand against the enemy attack at this place and our resistance is gradually being weakened by men who are as deluded as they are lacking in initiative, I should like, by remaining in this town, to share my fate with those, the millions of others, who have also taken upon themselves to do so. Moreover I do not wish to fall into the hands of an enemy who requires a new spectacle organized by the Jews for the amusement of their hysterical masses.
I have decided therefore to remain in Berlin and there of my own free will to choose death at the moment when I believe the position of the Führer and Chancellor itself can no longer be held.
I die with a happy heart, aware of the immeasurable deeds and achievements of our soldiers at the front, our women at home, the achievements of our farmers and workers and the work, unique in history, of our youth who bear my name.
That from the bottom of my heart I express my thanks to you all, is just as self-evident as my wish that you should, because of that, on no account give up the struggle, but rather continue it against the enemies of the Fatherland, no matter where, true to the creed of a great Clausewitz. From the sacrifice of our soldiers and from my own unity with them unto death, will in any case spring up in the history of Germany, the seed of a radiant renaissance of the National Socialist movement and thus of the realization of a true community of nations.
Many of the most courageous men and women have decided to unite their lives with mine until the very last. I have begged and finally ordered them not to do this, but to take part in the further battle of the Nation. I beg the heads of the Armies, the Navy and the Air Force to strengthen by all possible means the spirit of resistance of our soldiers in the National Socialist sense, with special reference to the fact that also I myself, as founder and creator of this movement, have preferred death to cowardly abdication or even capitulation.
May it, at some future time, become part of the code of honor of the German officer - as is already the case in our Navy - that the surrender of a district or of a town is impossible, and that above all the leaders here must march ahead as shining examples, faithfully fulfilling their duty unto death.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring from the party and deprive him of all rights which he may enjoy by virtue of the decree of June 29th, 1941; and also by virtue of my statement in the Reichstag on September 1st, 1939, I appoint in his place Grossadmiral Dönitz, President of the Reich and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.
Before my death I expel the former Reichsführer-SS and Minister of the Interior Heinrich Himmler, from the party and from all offices of State. In his stead I appoint Gauleiter Karl Hanke as Reichsführer-SS and Chief of the German Police, and Gauleiter Paul Giesler as Reich Minister of the Interior.
Göring and Himmler, quite apart from their disloyalty to my person, have done immeasurable harm to the country and the whole nation by secret negotiations with the enemy, which they have conducted without my knowledge and against my wishes, and by illegally attempting to seize power in the State for themselves.
In order to provide the German people with a government of honorable men who will fulfill the task of continuing the war with all the means at their disposal, I, as leader of the nation, appoint the following members of the new cabinet:
President of the Reich: Dönitz
Chancellor of the Reich: Dr. Goebbels
Party Minister: Bormann
Foreign Minister: Seyss-Inquart
Minister of the Interior: Gauleiter Gieser
Minister of War: Dönitz
Supreme Commander of the Army: Schörner
Supreme Commander of the Navy: Dönitz
Supreme Commander of the Air Force: Greim
Reichsführer of the S.S. and Head of the German Police: Gauleiter Hanke
Trade: Funke
Agriculture: Backe
Justice: Thierack
Culture: Dr. Scheel
Although a number of men, such as Martin Bormann, Dr. Goebbels, etc., together with their wives, have joined me of their own free will and did not wish to leave the capital of the Reich under any circumstances, but were willing to perish with me here, I must nevertheless ask them to obey my request, and in this case set the interests of the nation above their own feelings. By their work and loyalty as comrades they will be just as close to me after death, as I hope that my spirit will linger among them and always go with them. Let them be hard but never unjust, but above all let them never allow fear to influence their actions, and set the honor of the nation above everything in the world. Finally, let them be conscious of the fact that our task, that of continuing the building of a National Socialist State, represents the work of the coming centuries, which places every single person under an obligation always to serve the common interest and to subordinate his own advantage to this end. I demand of all Germans, all National Socialists, men, women and all the men of the Armed Forces, that they be faithful and obedient unto death to the new government and its President.
Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, International Jewry.
Re: Hitler's Last Words
I think if you read the book The Day After Tomorrow ,you'll get the clue.nasdaq7 wrote:In response to this statement the aide replied to Hitler "For whom should we fight now?" With that, Hitler said in a monotone, "For the coming man."
It is said that those were Hitler's last words. What do you think did he mean? Could he have foreseen the coming of the European Union?
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Pretty much. But this would have been much like every other moment of his life and career...I bet that no matter who else was there, Hitler would have had the last word, he always did didn't he?
He said what Germany needed to hear loudly and clearly in the form of his personal and political testaments dictated on 28 April 1945 and signed during the wedding breakfast in the early morning hours of 29 April.
But, true to form, he almost certainly had personal things to say to those he had been closest to in those final days. And if he hadn't the will or the strength to express his feelings to the members of the inner circle as he made his way through them one last time, or if he found himself speechless for the first time in his life as he looked at his bride knowing that she was about to die with/for him, then his last words were probably spoken to Otto Gunsche.
Supposedly Magda Goebbles tried to burst into Hitler's living room just as the newlyweds were about to commit suicide. When Gunsche asked should he allow her entry, AH told him not to let her in.
Kind of anticlimatic, I know- but that very well could have been the last words he spoke. Gunsche says he never heard vioces behind the door; although he does concede that those metal doors were pretty well soundproof and he didn't even hear the shot, he only knew when the gun had been fired by the faint odor of gunpowder.
So, perhaps his final words were giving one last order; to be left alone.
EBH
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Hans-Uhlrich Rudel
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I think it was Hitlers valet Heinz Linge who was the last to hear what Hitler had to say, and as someone rightly said, he replied to the inquiry in a monotone voice " the coming man".
For anyone who has read extensively on Hitler,and the rise of National Socialism, there is no doubt what Hitler meant, just as in Germany there was an expectation and need for a strong man by Germans.
It often strikes me as strange how things have come to pass in post war Europe, where we see an increasingly strong European Union, with a strong Germany at its heart, with a weak Russia, the Soviet Union long since collpased
Wonder what Hitler would have made of it all?
For anyone who has read extensively on Hitler,and the rise of National Socialism, there is no doubt what Hitler meant, just as in Germany there was an expectation and need for a strong man by Germans.
It often strikes me as strange how things have come to pass in post war Europe, where we see an increasingly strong European Union, with a strong Germany at its heart, with a weak Russia, the Soviet Union long since collpased
Wonder what Hitler would have made of it all?
Give it a try, like he did before...the coming man was there. Why wait?Hans-Uhlrich Rudel wrote:I think it was Hitlers valet Heinz Linge who was the last to hear what Hitler had to say, and as someone rightly said, he replied to the inquiry in a monotone voice " the coming man".
For anyone who has read extensively on Hitler,and the rise of National Socialism, there is no doubt what Hitler meant, just as in Germany there was an expectation and need for a strong man by Germans.
It often strikes me as strange how things have come to pass in post war Europe, where we see an increasingly strong European Union, with a strong Germany at its heart, with a weak Russia, the Soviet Union long since collpased
Wonder what Hitler would have made of it all?
Angelo
