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Killing of two Feldjäger officers in Blood Purge?

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Post by mty » 11 Aug 2008, 01:18

While researching the circumstances, victims and units involved in the Blood Purge, the following victims have puzzled me for a long time:
Lambeardus Ostendorp (Born 20 May 1893, SA Oberst Feldjagerei. Executed in Dresden 1 July 1934)
Heinrich Nixdorf (Born 19 October 1890, SA Oberst Feldjagerei. Executed in Breslau 30 June 1934)
The Prussian Feldjägerkorps was an SA police organization set up as the permanent successor of the former SA Feldpolizei. It was a quite small and noteworthly elite formation within the SA and in practice regarded as part of the Prussian police. Its commander, Walter Fritsch was an SA-Oberführer. The wording "SA Oberst" most probably means SA-Standartenführer. In that case we are talking about two very high-ranking officers of small elite corps, apparently even commanding officers of their respective Feldjägerbereitschaften executed in the purge.

Who were they and why indeed did they end up on the list? Were they affiliates of the Röhm circle or was it more a personal vendetta? What makes this more peculiar is the fact FJK itself was heavily involved in the purge proceedings, at least in Berlin if not elsewhere in Prussia as well, carrying out arrests and cordoning off areas.

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They were executed in Dresden and Breslau. The purge operations in Breslau and in the whole of Silesia were personally directed by the commander of Oberabschnitt Südost, SS-Gruf. Udo von Woyrsch together with Ernst Müller. Various sources maintain that he had trouble with some of his men. It is also mentioned that there was a major roundup and arrest on an "armed SA camp" which briefly resisted the SS attackers. This might be a focal point, perhaps the SA-Staf. Nixdorf was one of those in that camp.

In Dresden, the Oberabschnittsführer Karl v. Eberstein was responsible but I haven't come across any similar accounts to that of Silesia from there. It is also worth a notice that Ostendorp was executed on the second day of purge. That might imply that he was not one of the main targets but rather belonged to the "second wave" of executions.

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Post by Georges JEROME » 11 Aug 2008, 22:26

The SA in Saxony directed by SA Gruf Hans Hayn was particulary the target of SS and Wehrmacht in the blood purge :_8 people were sentenced to death including 5 SA
- SA-Gruf Hayn killed in Munchen
- SA-Staf Otto Pietrzok stab Gruppe
- SA-Brif Dr Joachim Schröder leader of SA-Brigade 33
- SA-stuf Max Schuldt from Chemnitz
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- SA-Obersturmführer Lamberdus Ostendorp from Feldjagerkorps Sachsen

During the night of 3O june to 1 july 34, SA-Obersturmführer Rhein. Nixdorf from staff of Heines was executed with 6 others officers by a squad of 16. SS-Standarte in the forest of Obernigk/Deutsch-Lissa


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Post by mty » 12 Aug 2008, 11:28

Thanks for replying, Georges! :)

I thought that the two were Standartenführers because I interpreted "SA Oberst" as "SA Colonel" and not as an abbreviation of Obersturmführer, that clears up a lot. What is your source for that information, it seems quite precise - most of the books covering the Röhm purge does not include anything that detailed?

SS-Standarte 16 (Breslau) was commanded by Stubaf. Rudolf Lohse at the time of the purge. I think there was not a post-war court case against him. Perhaps these killings were included in the proceedings against Udo von Woyrsch and Ernst Müller or those dealing with the Hirschberg murders?

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Post by freiwillige » 12 Aug 2008, 12:51

hello,
maybe off-topic but, do exist a source with the list of the all SS units involved in the purge?
and, was some fighting or shooting betwenn SS and SA during the night of long knives?

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Post by mty » 14 Aug 2008, 10:12

freiwillige wrote:hello,
maybe off-topic but, do exist a source with the list of the all SS units involved in the purge?
and, was some fighting or shooting betwenn SS and SA during the night of long knives?

Thank you.
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I am currently trying to comb through all the listed victims (using both the "Master List" posted on this board as well as the excellent list available at German Wikipedia) and connect individual cases to certain SS units. It appears that most of the SS-Standarten were informed only a little before the action began. Notable excpetions are Eicke's units which probably began practising tactical maneuvers around Munich (including Wiessee and Tegernsee areas) in early June and Leibstandarte. Almost all Silesian SS units seem to have produced at least couple of victims, most of the killings taking place around Breslau between June 30th and July 1st. At times, situation was as extreme that the local police decided not to render any assistance nor initiate investigations on clear murder cases.

In case of the architect Kuno Kamphausen, his wife called the police after his man had been forcibly taken away, only to be told that "In dieser Nacht, in der die SS die Macht ergreift, kann die Polizei nichts unternehmen!". Interestingly there were only 4 confirmed SS victims in the purge. Three of them (Hoffmann, Pleines & Fink) had been given lengthy sentences of prisoner abuse, related to the "wild" KL Stettin-Bredow. They were fetched from the prisons where they were serving their sentence, taken to Gollnow prison of Stettin and shot there. The fourth case was that of Oberabschnitts-Reiterführer v. Hohberg und Buchwald in East Prussia which was a result of personal vendetta by then Oberabschnitt commander von dem Bach-Zelewski. The clear murder was said to have raised quite a resentment among local population towards the SS.

I will post more detailed unit involvement information when I have finished with my sources.

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Post by Georges JEROME » 16 Aug 2008, 01:18

source : La nuit des longs couteaux by Jean Philippon 1992 based upon his Phil D. thesis University Nice Sophia Anthipolis

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Post by Zsasz » 29 Dec 2009, 22:30

Interestingly enough consipuously many members of the 16th SS-Staffel were promoted after the purge, so it seems credible that they played a prominent role in the silesian killings:

* Oskar Fischer (promoted to Obersturmführer on the 4th of July)
* Hugo Hackbart (* February 5th 1893; promoted to Obersturmführer on the 4th of July)
* Arnold Jaks (* December 13th 1893; promoted to Untersturmführer on the 4th of July)
* Günther Kühndel (* February 11th 1906; promoted to Untersturmführer on the 4th of July)
* Rudolf Lohse (* Februar 18th 1902; promoted to STandartenführer on the 4th of July)
* Georg Schönknecht (* December 28th 1894; promoted to Obersturmführer on the 4th of July)
* Karl Stauffer (* December 24th 1896; promoted to Hauptsturmführer on the 4th of July; member of the staff of the 16th's )
* Arthur von Tempsky (* 8th of April 1893; promoted to Obersturmführer on the 4th of July; member of the staff of the 16th's)
* Siegfried von Woyrsch (March 19th 1893 in Schwanowitz; promoted to Obersturmführer on the 4th of July; member of the staff of the 16th's and Udo von Woyrsch's older brother)

By the way: Any ideas on who the six aforementioned victims might be?

I guess of the silesian victims we can exclude Köppel and Reh who were killed in Landeshut, the four Jews in Hirschberg, Doctor Lindemann of Glogau, Erich Kamphausen from Waldenburg and Hans Rahmshorn, to the best of my knowledge was shot at his office in the police station in Gleiwitz.

So perhaps Oskar Heines, Werner Engels, Kurt Engelhardt, Karl Belding, Karl Lipinsky, Reinhard Nixdorf, Otto Stucken and Karl von Wechmar?

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Post by mty » 31 Dec 2009, 01:30

What about SA-Obersturmführer/Sturmhauptführer Enders, commander of SA-Motorsportschule Kroischwitz/Schweidnitz, did you already mention him?
In Schlesien wütete die SS unter ihrem Abschnittsführer, Gruppenführer Udo v. Woyrsch, Gutsherr auf Schwanowitz, besonders heftig. Auch in Schweidnitz forderte die Niederschlagung des „Röhmputsches“ ein Opfer. Auf dem Gelände des
Neumühlwerks erschossen der eigens angereiste Führer der SS-Standarte 43/Frankenstein, Obersturmbannführer Josef Makosch, und der SS-Untersturmführer Erich Moschner aus Schweidnitz den Leiter der SA-Motorsportschule in Kroischwitz, SA-Hauptsturmführer Enders, nachdem sie ihn in der Grenadierkaserne vernommen hatten und er sich dabei nicht eindeutig von Röhm distanziert hatte29. Die Erschießung wurde der Öffentlichkeit kaum bekannt, da der ganze Fall sofort der Kripo in Schweidnitz entzogen und von Breslau übernommen wurde.
Source: http://www.schweidnitz.net/Schweidnitz%201934.pdf (Worth reading, very detailed information with "local" emphasis)

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Re: Killing of two Feldjäger officers in Blood Purge?

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Post by RRSC » 13 May 2021, 14:49

I am interested in what the 16th SS-Standarte really did, in particular the contribution of Arthur von Tempsky, a practicing doctor of medicine in Neumarkt (between Breslau and Liegnitz) at the time. By the way: His correct birthdate was the 9th of April 1893. He died in 1970 and was described by elder and younger people as a very handsome, friendly, open minded person.
@ Zsasz: When you write "I guess of the silesian victims we can exclude ..." do you mean that these people were not murdered by the 16th Standarte but by someone else? I do not understand the context of mentioning them.
@mty: Your reference to a pdf document does not work. When one follows your link one finds the website of a law firm without any reference to the historic issues discussed here.

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