Peter Stangier

[mytgre]

Here I present a very nice but small photo of Adolf Hitler with Peter Stangier.According to my infos Stangier was deputy Gauleiter in the Gau of Westfalen-Nord from Aug.1931 to 1945.This is the first time I see a pic of him.Does anyone has any other pics of him or his portrait?
Thanks in advance

[freddiefro]

Here's the way Peter Stangier (born: 07.04.1898 in Gevelsberg; SA-Gruppenführer; Stellv. Gauleiter; M.d.R.) appears in the 1933 and the 1938 Reichstags Handbooks.

Sources:
Reichstags-Handbuch 1933, Druck und Verlag der Reichsdruckerei, p. 473
Der Großdeutsche Reichstag 1938, R.v. Decker's Verlag, p. 543

-Fred

[steve248]

Stangier was arrested by the British authorities on 15 May 1945 and interned. This is from his detention report (UK National Archives)

[Halfdan S.]

Wow, thanks for posting, Steve.

Regards
Halfdan S.

[Br. James]

The photo in note #1 shows Stangier in what appears to be a PL Traditions Brownshirt, but without armband...and what's up with those epaulets?

Br. James

[Mark Costa]

The photo in note #1 shows Stangier in what appears to be a PL Traditions Brownshirt, but without armband...and what's up with those epaulets?

Br. James

The epaulets were a part of the 1932-33 style insignias that were a first try by Ley at finally getting the PL's insignias. The first and second version of PL insignias were abolished late 1933. By February 1934 the rank/insignias were finalized with what we refer now as the 1933-39 style. But some PL's continued to wear both the obsolete tabs and shoulder knots/epaulets into 1934. Ley was having a go as to what would work and what wouldn't. Most PL's, especially the gauleiters and reichsleiters, were not happy with Ley's first two designs/ranks and they quickly disappeared.

Mark Costa

[Br. James]

Thanks very much, Mark. Obviously, information about uniforms of the pre-1933 PLs is sketchy, and with the tendency to continue to wear whatever a person was wearing before the regs changed -- and of course adding to that being able to find proper purveyors of the latest uniform styles -- makes finding correct reference material difficult!

Br. James

[Mark Costa]

Thanks very much, Mark. Obviously, information about uniforms of the pre-1933 PLs is sketchy, and with the tendency to continue to wear whatever a person was wearing before the regs changed -- and of course adding to that being able to find proper purveyors of the latest uniform styles -- makes finding correct reference material difficult!

Br. James

Br. James:

Robert Ley did issue at least two different charts for these early tabs/epaulets etc. But the ranks and titles were confusing and there were omissions especially insignias for high ranking members of the reichsleitung. And because the Gauleiters in some cases held more than one title it was confusing as to which insignias they were supposed to wear. Some Gauleiters were Reichinspektors as well as landesinspektors etc. So Ley finally scrapped the whole concept and started over starting with new gauleiter insignia in August 1933. If you look at the Reichsparteitag photos from 1933 you will see that the gauleiters are wearing the new collar tabs that became the norm throughout the rest of the decade. The rest of the new designs were in place and at the manufacturers by February 1934. Attached here is a chart -- NOT PERIOD -- showing how confusing those 1933 insignias and titles were.

Mark Costa

[Br. James]

Dear Mark,

Your ability to produce just the right information at just the right time never ceases to amaze me! Thank you so much for your input to this thread, and for the ongoing teaching you deliver to us regularly.

Br. James

[Michael Miller]

Mark is an AHF legend of two decades' standing.
An invaluable contributor in so many ways.

~ Mike

[Mark Costa]

Br. James and Mike:

Many thanks for the very kind words. I am a little embarrassed. As I get alot older and with the loss of Roger Bender and so many other great researchers of this hobby, I realize that there is not a lot of time left to impart what I have been able to learn over the decades. So much knowledge has been lost with their deaths. So I feel it is time for me to increase passing on what I have learned. So if anyone has questions feel free to contact me either with a post or a PM. I will try and give you an answer.

Mark Costa

[Hans1906]

Mark, Michael is right, there is no need to hide your light under a bushel.

Thanks for your help several times, I have appreciated this before, many years ago...

Take care!

Hans1906

[Br. James]

"Mark is an AHF legend..."

I couldn't agree with you more strongly, MIke -- we are all blessed to have Mark here among us as a living resource!

'Thank you for your presence and for your boundless input' just doesn't convey the level of gratitude we all maintain for your willingness to share your deep well of knowledge of the period that draws us together from all around the world, day by day!

Br. James

[Igor Karpov]

Peter Stangier as Befehlsleiter der NSDAP. Is it Blutorden or something else?

Regards,
Igor

[Mark Costa]

A favorite shot of mine of Peter Stangier at Fritz Schmidt's Funeral in Holland. The "big boys" of the Party Chancellery are present.

Front Row: Martin Bormann, Seyss-Inquart, Mussert and Gauleiter Florian.

Second Row: Befehlsleiter Peter Stangier, Hauptbefehlsleiter Friedrich Schmidt, Oberbefehlsleiter Helmut Friedrichs, Oberbefehlsleiter Heinrich Simon and Befehlsleiter Helmut Klopfer.

Mark Costa