Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 14 Jan 2011 16:24

Igor Karpov wrote:Add NSFK-Korpsführer Friedrich Christiansen, NSKK-Obergruppenführer Dr. Wilhelm Ohnesorge, SA-Obergruppenführer Friedrich "Fritz" Haselmayr, SA-Gruppenführer Josef Leopold, SA-Verwaltungs-Obergruppenführer Georg Mappes, who all held the rank Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP. And our well-known Dr. Werner Best, as well as NSFK-Obergruppenführer Ewald Oppermann and Dr. Arthur A. Manthey, was Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP.

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-Thanks for alll your new additions!!!! May I ask where you come up with all these NSDAP ranks for the NSDAP men?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 18 Jan 2011 07:07

We forgot our Hermann Göring: he was Oberbefehlsleiter der NSDAP. But Erhard Milch was Befehlsleiter der NSDAP. And Friedrich Jeckeln was Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 18 Jan 2011 23:25

Igor:

What references do you have for Göring as a Oberbefehlsleiter? And many of the new names you just mentioned like Ohnesorge Milch Christiansen etc. These names do not appear on any list that I have ever seen !! And many of these names would certainly have appeared if they were in those ranks. Were these late war promotions ? I have NEVER seen any reference for Göring in any NSDAP Rank.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Dieter Zinke » 19 Jan 2011 08:42

... in addition to the doubts Mark Costa is speaking of - what's about the proof concerning Jeckeln ??!!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 23 Jan 2011 20:14

Mark Costa wrote:Igor:

What references do you have for Göring as a Oberbefehlsleiter? And many of the new names you just mentioned like Ohnesorge Milch Christiansen etc. These names do not appear on any list that I have ever seen !! And many of these names would certainly have appeared if they were in those ranks. Were these late war promotions ? I have NEVER seen any reference for Göring in any NSDAP Rank.

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Mark,
-I remember talking about Göring holding an NSDAP rank during a previous discussion and I am pretty sure we came to the conclusion that he held no rank!!!! I think he was mentioned along with men like Funk and Esser. Big wigs that did not hold some sort of NSDAP rank. If Göring was an Oberbefehlsleiter and if Igor has a reputable source then I most certainly would love to add him to my updated list!!! Also, I would love to add the other names Igor memtioned as well (Jeckeln, Milch). Thanks!!!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 25 Jan 2011 13:28

Pitino:

I agree on fat Hermann -- never any indication he held PL rank of any kind. Igor will need to support these names with documentation before we add their names to the list. Friedrich Ringshausen, whom he listed back on January 6th, makes no sense at all, as he was already a retired Honorary Gauleiter by 1939. Why would he be given a lowly Hauptdienstleiter rank when he is already an honorary gauleiter and retired??

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Phil Nix » 25 Jan 2011 18:20

Also I query senior SS 0fficers with ranks in the Waffen SS or Polizei having Party ranks
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 05 Feb 2011 13:33

Add Franz Mende, close collaborator of Robert Ley and Fritz Sauckel, who was at least Dienstleiter der NSDAP (some indications point out on the Ober- and Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP, but this I have yet to figure out).

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 13 Feb 2011 10:50

Push up Alfred Hess: he was Befehlsleiter der NSDAP.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 23 Feb 2011 14:06

Here is a very nice portrait photo of Dr. Hugo Fischer wearing his Oberbefehlsleiter uniform.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by coburg22 » 25 Feb 2011 21:14

Hi Mark,

Nice photo, thank you for posting.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 28 Mar 2011 09:21

Pitino wrote:-Wilhelm Röder- (Appointed sometime before March 1, 1943)
He was Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP.

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Re: Reich Hauptdienstleiter

Post by Igor Karpov » 13 Apr 2011 12:35

Pitino wrote:-In my notes at home I had him listed as Herbert Hänssgen. Then I viewed the official document you posted with NSDAP ranks some time ago and I changed my mind (it has Albert Hänssgen). I had him listed as an Oberdienstleiter, but I was pretty sure he may have been promoted. Do you know the date he was promoted to Befehlsleiter? I will have to make this correction on my new official list when I come out with it. Thanks again!!
Herbert Hänssgen listed as Befehlsleiter der NSDAP as late as March 1944.

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Who´s with Keitel?

Post by pavel michalek » 14 Apr 2011 14:59

Which NSDAP-Hauptbefehlsleiter is next to GFM Keitel?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Michael Miller » 14 Apr 2011 15:18

Erich Hilgenfeldt.

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