Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 26 Oct 2012 00:00

-I can confirm that an earlier post by Igor is correct!! Dr. Fritz Todt was indeed promoted to HDL der NSDAP on (December 16, 1938). According to his official obituary that was announced in (1942), Todt was promoted to Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP to go along with his appointment als Generalbevollmächtigter für die Regelung der Bauwirtschaft on (December 16, 1938).

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 30 Oct 2012 14:06

Add Oberdienstleiter Georg Amend, who headed the Hauptamt für Versicherungswesen. In 1942 he held the rank of Dienstleiter der NSDAP, but in 1944 he was already Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 05 Nov 2012 20:10

-I have recently come across 2 period books (1942 AND 1941) that list Erich Hilgenfeldt als Hauptbefehlsleiter Erich Hilgenfeldt! Anyone ever seen Hilgenfeldt listed als HBefL der NSDAP before? Also, I came across another book liting Helmut Friedrichs als Hauptbefehlsleiter Helmut Friedrichs. Anyone ever seen Friedrichs listed als HBefL der NSDAP before? Both men are thought to have reached the Oberbefehlsleiter rank and that's it! So, this would be a nice find if they can be substantiated. However, I just looked at the 1944 NSDAP Jahrbuch and it still lists Hilgenfeldt als Oberbefehlsleiter over Scholtz-Klink in der Reichsfruenfuhrung. Have not found a late OBefL Date for Friedrichs just yet! Anyone add to this?

-"Die Niederlande im Umbruch der Zeiten", printed in 1942, lists like this: Als im Juli 1941 Hauptbefehlsleiter Hilgenfeldt die Einrichtungen der NSV.

-"Der Deutsche Erzieher: Reichszeitung des NS-Lehrerbundes, Issue 8", goes like this: .... in Vertretung von Hauptbefehlsleiter Hilgenfeldt Reichsamtsleiter Althaus das Wort.

-"Vom Stab Hess zu Dr. Goebbels", p.20, lists: Hauptbefehlsleiter Helmut Friedrichs

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 05 Nov 2012 20:28

Pitino:

I have to say that the information regarding both Hilgenfeldt and Friedrichs is absolutely erroneous in 1941-42, as both men can be seen in photos as late as November 1944 wearing only Oberbefehlsleiter collar tabs. That's not to say that could not have been promoted in 1945 but I have never seen any reference to them as Haupts after 1944.


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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 07 Nov 2012 19:55

Mark Costa wrote:Pitino:

I have to say that the information regarding both Hilgenfeldt and Friedrichs is absolutely erroneous in 1941-42, as both men can be seen in photos as late as November 1944 wearing only Oberbefehlsleiter collar tabs. That's not to say that could not have been promoted in 1945 but I have never seen any reference to them as Haupts after 1944.


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Mark,
-I am in complete agreement with you on this matter, but I was astounded to see Hauptbefehlsleiter Hilgenfeldt in a (1942) book! Then I looked at the 1944 NSDAP Jahrbuch and my hopes were dashed when I saw OBefL Hilgenfeldt and OBefL Friedrichs. Maybe we will locate another HBefL someday!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 26 Nov 2012 16:18

-I can report an update to the Dienstränge Liste!!! I have Karl Otto Saur listed als HDL der NSDAP with his appt. date coming on (June 5, 1943). That is incorrect! Karl Otto Saur was not an HDL der NSDAP at all, but he was an BefL der NSDAP! Also, on that (June 5, 1943) date Saur was already a Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP at the Berliner Sportpalast rally! Saur was promoted to Befehlsleiter in (1943) for sure and possibly was appt. in (June 1943) after the Berliner Sportpalast speeches of Speer and Goebbels on (June 5, 1943).

-Dipl. Ing. Karl Otto Saur- (Positively Appt. in 1943/possibly in June 1943)- zum Befehlsleiter der NSDAP

-("Tatsachen sprechen für den Sieg", 1943, p. 48)

-("Schiffbau, Schiffahrt und Hafenbau, Volume 44", 1943, p.iv)

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 28 Nov 2012 17:24

Here is a nice portrait painting of Hauptbefehlsleiter Fritz Reinhardt. Source is the US Army Captured German War Art.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 01 Dec 2012 21:15

-I can confirm an earlier posting by Igor on Kurt Knoblauch!!!! He did indeed hold the Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP range!!!! He was promoted to HDL der NSDAP by Hitler on (April 20, 1942). Also, on a side note he was promoted to Dienstleiter der NSDAP by Hitler on (November 9, 1941).

-Kurt Knoblauch- (April 20, 1942)-ernannte ihn Hitler zum HDL der NSDAP

-("Wegbereiter der Shoah", p.66)

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Halfdan S. » 03 Dec 2012 14:29

Dear Pitino,

An updated list would be welcome.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 03 Dec 2012 15:29

Halfdan S. wrote:Dear Pitino,

An updated list would be welcome.

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Halfdan,
-I have been working long and hard on this new list, but it takes time as I am back in graduate school which leaves me with little of it. I can tell you that when I print the new list that there will be numerous updates, corrections and it will go from Hauptbefehlsleiter to Bereichsleiter! Thanks and be patient!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 18 Dec 2012 08:04

Add Hauptdienstleiter Ludwig Pösl.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 31 Dec 2012 16:46

Igor Karpov wrote:Add Hauptdienstleiter Ludwig Pösl.

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Igor,
-What is your source? I cannot find anything to cooberate this HDL appt.!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 31 Dec 2012 16:56

-I can substantiate an earlier post by Igor stating that Arthur Manthey held the rank of Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP!!!! Dr. Arthur A. Manthey is listed as ODL Dr. Manthey in a transmission on (May 15, 1941). His ODL der NSDAP rank comes from his post as Leiter des Amtes Schönheit und Mode der DAF der NSDAP.

-Dr. Arthur A. Manthey- (Appt. before May 15, 1941)- ODL der NSDAP

-"Wie geistiges Kokain: Mode unterm Hakenkreuz", p. 336 notes 84 & 85)

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 26 Jan 2013 18:01

-I need some help! I have viewed a few sources that list Friedrich Haselmayr als HDL der NSDAP. Is there a chance that he could be an addition to the select few of Pre-1939 Hauptdienstleitern? I can come up with no reason at all for Haselmayr to have held the HDL der NSDAP rang in the neue 1939 rank structure! Unless it was a purely honorary rank. However, he would have had a slim chance of being an HDL der NSDAP during the early years (1934-1935), because he was the right hand man to RL von Epp at that time (stellvertreter des Leiters des Wehrpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP und Hauptgeschäftsführer des Wehrpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP). Does anyone have any thoughts about this matter?

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Re: Reich Hauptdienstleiter

Post by Igor Karpov » 28 Jan 2013 10:22

Pitino wrote:-I have evidence of Janowsky holding the HDL der NSDAP rang as early as (July 7, 1942) when he was promoted to Reichskassenwalter des NSRDS. However, there are also at least 2 signed documents where Janowsky is listed with the Oberbefehlsleiter der NSDAP rang. He signed them like this: i.V. Janowsky Oberbefehlsleiter and he signed one of them on (March 7, 1941) which is a full year ahead of the (July 7, 1942) HDL der NSDAP evidence. So, is it possible that he ws serving as an i.V. Oberbefehlsleiter for his boss, Hilgenfeldt? Also, he signed a document on (April 9, 1940) like this: i.V. Janowsky Hauptamtsleiter. I know for a fact that he was promoted to HAL der NSDAP in (December 1935) so why woul he have the i.V. in front of his name? Again, is it possible that he was serving as the i.V. Hauptamtsleiter for his boss, Hilgenfeldt, during that period too. Could he have been the representative for Hilgenfeldt in the Hauptamts fur Volkswohlfahrt during those times? Can anyone shed light here? For now I will say that I know for sure that Janowsky was HDL der NSDAP as early as (July 7, 1942) and not the ODL der NSDAP rank like I had on the earlier post.
As July 17, 1942 he is still listed as Oberdienstleiter der NSDAP.

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