Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by afrikakorp1943 » 02 Feb 2014 21:02

I have the two Golden Party Badges to Dr Karl Zeller Number 21377.
The research I received from USA ends " NSDAP Gau Bayer Ostmark 26th June 1939."
He joined the NSDAP ON 28th October 1925,his highest rank was Brigade Fuhrer.
I have lots of information on Dr Zeller up to October 1939...after this nothing.
Would anyone have any further information on this person

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 03 Feb 2014 01:58

afrikakorp1943 wrote:I have the two Golden Party Badges to Dr Karl Zeller Number 21377.
The research I received from USA ends " NSDAP Gau Bayer Ostmark 26th June 1939."
He joined the NSDAP ON 28th October 1925,his highest rank was Brigade Fuhrer.
I have lots of information on Dr Zeller up to October 1939...after this nothing.
Would anyone have any further information on this person
Afrikakorps1943,
-Do not have much on this man. I do know that he did serve as a Kreisleiter des Kreisleitung der NSDAP Gaues Bayerischen Ostmark at one point. I think he was in this post during 1939, but I am not positive. So, at least you know why the Gau Bayer Ostmark is on your badge.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Georges JEROME » 04 Feb 2014 20:16

Rademacher mention Dr Karl Zeller as Kreisobmann des NSDÄB ON 39/41
I've also not confirmed info as Kreisleiter Amsberg soon in 30's.

I Wonder how he reached to SA-Brif rank which so low level in a bavarian Kreis ?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by ahlexe » 15 Feb 2014 10:52

Was there any 'Technishes Amt' in the NSDAP structure, and (if yes) who was/were its Dienstleiter and/or Hauptbefehlsleiter?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 15 Feb 2014 16:18

ahlexe wrote:Was there any 'Technishes Amt' in the NSDAP structure, and (if yes) who was/were its Dienstleiter and/or Hauptbefehlsleiter?
ahlexe,
-There was a Hauptamt fur Technik der NSDAP. It was headed by OBefL Albert Speer until the end of the war and his Stabsleiter und stellvertreter des Haupamtes was BefL. Karl Otto Saur. OBefL Speer succeeded HDL bzw. HBefL Fritz Todt as Leiter des Hauptamtes following Todts death on (Feb. 8, 1942). HBefL Todt had taken over the post from Reichskommissar und AL Gottfried Feder in late (1934)when it was still the Amt fur Technik der NSDAP. Also, there was a Technishce Wissenschaft Amt der DAF der NSDAP and the Leiter des Hauptamtes fur Technik was in Personalunion the Leiter of the DAF Amt.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by ahlexe » 21 Feb 2014 16:06

Thank you Pitino.

In memoirs Albert Speer mentioned Mr. Hoerner as a manager of this Hauptamt who was responsible for destruction of mines etc.
Do you have any biographical evidence about this man?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 24 Feb 2014 20:28

Oberhessin wrote:According to his CV after 1945 he described himself als Befehlsleiter (Source: Denazification File)

-Just found a good find!!!! It appears that Herbert Hanssgen was appt to BefL der NSDAP early in the war. The 1942 NS-Jahrbuch lists him as BefL d. NSDAP and it was printed in late 1941. It looked like this:

-Hauptamt VI (Reichsrechnungs-und-prufungsamt): (Leiter)- Befehlsleiter Herbert Hanssgen.

-("nationalsozialistisches jahrbuch", 1942)

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Post by Pitino » 27 Feb 2014 20:58

-I do not have an appointment date for Herbert Hanssgen to BefL d. NSDAP, but my best guess is (November 9, 1940) or (April 20, 1941). My reasoning is this: On (September 26, 1940), Hanssgen was defintely an ODL d. NSDAP and by (late 1941) he was definitely a BefL d. NSDAP. So, he was appt. some time between (Sept. 26, 1940-Late 1941). I think that (April 20, 1940) seems more likely as there were mass High Reichsleitung appts. on that date. Anyone have a definite date???

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Post by Pitino » 08 Mar 2014 01:58

-Does anyone have a specific HDL appt. date for Rudolf Schmeer??? All sources state 1935 without a month or day. I do have a source that states the Schmeer was confirmed as HDL on (July 30, 1935). So, we know for sure that it was in (1935) but before (July 30, 1935). My best guess is (April 20, 1935)!!! However, I would like a definite date. Anyone have anything with the source too!!!!! For now:

-Rudolf Schmeer- (appt. between Jan. 1, 1935-July 30, 1935) - HDL der NSDAP als stellvertreter Leys in der ROL und der DAF/ als Leiter des Hauptpersonalamtes der ROL der NSDAP.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Pitino » 03 May 2014 00:17

Mark Costa wrote:Pitino:

I have to say that the information regarding both Hilgenfeldt and Friedrichs is absolutely erroneous in 1941-42, as both men can be seen in photos as late as November 1944 wearing only Oberbefehlsleiter collar tabs. That's not to say that could not have been promoted in 1945 but I have never seen any reference to them as Haupts after 1944.


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I have found another book listing Helmuth Friedrichs as Hauptbefehsleiter Helmuth Friedrichs!!! He is listed as [b]HBefL Friedrichs (PKzL) in a transmission from "Akten der PKzL der NSDAP" on p. 760. This book is as reputable as it gets. However, I am still inclined to believe that it was a period flub by the NSDAP. I wonder why his name keeps popping up with the HBefL rank????

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 03 May 2014 22:10

Pitino:

I have seen photos of both men as late as Nov 9th 1944 and both were still Oberbefehlsleiters. So any promotion to Haupt would have to be after that date. Any or reference to them as such before, I believe to be erroneous.

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Post by Pitino » 03 May 2014 22:39

Mark Costa wrote:Pitino:

I have seen photos of both men as late as Nov 9th 1944 and both were still Oberbefehlsleiters. So any promotion to Haupt would have to be after that date. Any or reference to them as such before, I believe to be erroneous.

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I am in agreement with your sentiments. I too have a reference from early Dec. 1944 that lists Friedrichs as OBefL!!!!

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Mark Costa » 24 Jul 2014 00:56

Attached is a fascinating photo taken in February 1934 !! showing Rudolf Schmeer wearing what might be Reichshauptdienstleiter collar tabs at least 1 year before his known promotion. But as Gottfied Feder, wearing the first style reichsleitung tabs is in the photo, Schmeer may be wearing the the elusive second style Reichsleitung collar tabs that were worn briefly by several PL department heads in the 1933-34 period before the Summer 1934. These early uniforms were abolished and made obsolete. I tend to think that these are indeed the second style reichsleitung tabs as opposed to RHDL tabs which were not introduced until 1935.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by Igor Karpov » 27 Aug 2014 17:47

Earlier I stated that Friedrich Triebel held the rank of Oberbereichsleiter der NSDAP, but in 1942 he already held the rank of Dienstleiter der NSDAP.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei

Post by coburg22 » 30 Oct 2014 18:07

Walter Stang promoted to Oberdienstleiter on 20.04.41

Source: "Biographisches Lexikon zum Dritten Reich"

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