Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 05 Jan 2017 20:33

richardvon,

Otto Gohdes held the Oberdienstleiter d. NSDAP rank in 1940 as the Kommandant d. NS-Ordensburg Krossinsee. Also, Robert Bauer held the Oberdienstleiter d. NSDAP in 1940 as the Kommandant d. NS-Ordensburg Sonthofen. Do you know which Ordensburg is in question? Hans Dietel held the Dienstleiter d NSDAP rank in 1940 as the Kommandant d NS-Ordensburg Vogelsang. W/o the specific Ordensburg we would just be guessing, but those 2 ODL d NSDAP should point you on the right path.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by richardvon » 05 Jan 2017 22:02

Thank you Pitino for these infos but why would my Odl wear swallownests of a musician leader or inspector? Also the gold toned armband is uncommon. I have no lead of which Ordensburg we are talking about but it is definitely one of them. I will try to send a picture if possible in this forum. Best regards.
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 05 Jan 2017 22:31

richardvon,

The ODL d NSDAP was a fairly high rank within the new 1939 rank order. If your man was an ODL during 1940 and was within the Ordensburg he most likely would have been either Gohdes or Bauer. Look at the picture on this thread and see if you possibly see your man: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=75439

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Halfdan S. » 13 Feb 2017 00:13

Looking for a bit for help here (I've got a really bad copy). I can decipher this much:

Hermann (last name ends on -ler), the person was born 2.8.1898 and he was Reichsamtsleiter and Oberdienstleiter.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 14 Feb 2017 01:07

The man you are looking for is probably ODL Hermann Giesler. The brother of GL d NSDAP Paul Giesler.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Halfdan S. » 14 Feb 2017 18:05

Thank you very much, Pitino. Giesler fits the bill, although I'm a bit surprised.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 16 Feb 2017 15:10

Halfdan,

-I too understand the surprise, but he is listed as ODL d. NSDAP in his 1943 Reichstag bio.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Halfdan S. » 16 Feb 2017 22:18

I didn't doubt your info at all and it does fit the bill, it is Giesler. Thanks again :-)

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 15 Mar 2017 00:28

I have seen Claus Selzner listed with the Hauptbefehlsleiter rank for years now, but I have always thought this to be a dubious claim! I know for a fact the Selzner did hold the Oberbefehlsleiter rank & all of his 1944 obituaries list him as OBefL d. NSDAP. I have tried to find the genesis of this HBefL Selzner claim and I believe that I found it! I recently purchased the 1941 NS-Jahrbuch and in it lists this verbatim:

Hauptschulungsamt: (Leiter) - Haupbefehlsleiter Friedrich Schmidt, Claus Selzner

I believe this where some researchers incorrectly identified Selzner as HBefL Selzner! They took the HBefL rank of Schmidt and incorrectly applied it to Selzner too. It was not listed like this:

Hauptschulungsamt: (Leiter) - Hauptbefehlsleiter: Friedrich Schmidt und Claus Selzner

Can you see the inferential difference?

I have never found another period reference that even remotely lists Selzner with the HBefL rank, but there are numerous contemporary books that list Selzner as HBefL d. NSDAP. I contend that this subtle inferential error is what started the HBefL Selzner ball rolling!! I might add that I have found numerous period refrences that list Selzner with the OBefL d. NSDAP rank & those include, but are not limited to 3 different 1944 obituaries that all list Selzner with the OBefL rank. Any thoughts?????

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Mark Costa » 15 Mar 2017 02:46

Pitino:

As I recall the promotion was posthumous for Selzner. I will have to see what I have on this.

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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

Post by Pitino » 16 Mar 2017 00:54

Mark,

Yes, I had him listed as posthumously awarded the rank for years, but I had no period reference to back up that claim. Hence, the final OBefL rank for Selzner in my new list. I have viewed at least 6 obituaries for Selzner and none mentioned the Hauptbefehlsleiter rank, but most mentioned the Oberbefehlsleiter rank. However, if you could provide for me the evidence that most certainly would change. Thanks!

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