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apreciate Opinions about this invitation Card

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Post by ihoyos » 23 Jun 2017, 17:13

Recently some body paid $ 900 for this on ebay.
But in my opinion. The card is real. typical card pro form with empty spaces. filled depending the occasion.
but the type writing machine ( name and date) I have serious doubts about authenticity.
As far I know, by 1942 Der Furher und Kanzler Des Deuchen Reiches was already moved to Reich Chancellery in Vostrasse.
and by 1942 EK was Generalleutnant Polizei, and the name is writing with no rank at all.
but I can be wrong, so any opinion is apreciated.
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Post by ostland » 23 Jun 2017, 19:59

The absence of any Fraktur bothers me...
"Merken Sie sich eins; bei uns zu Haus' sind nur die Mannschaften Ostmärker. Die Herren Offiziere sind Österreicher! Servus Doktorchen!"


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Post by Max Williams » 24 Jun 2017, 10:15

In my opinion, this piece is a fake. The omission of his title 'Dr' is a serious mistake, and if genuine would have been considered as discourteous, but the most glaring error is that Hitler was not in Berlin on his birthday in 1942. He was at the Wolfsschanze in East Prussia from March 17 until his return to Berlin on April 25.
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Post by Halfdan S. » 24 Jun 2017, 12:39

I agree with Max. A genuine card would have read "Führer und REICHSkanzler".

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Post by Knouterer » 24 Jun 2017, 17:43

The Reichsadler looks a bit funny too. I'm no expert but I don't think I have ever seen that version of the bird, with feathers elegantly spread like that, on any official document of the Third Reich.

Then there is the curiously "democratic" phrasing. "... das Abendessen bei ihm einnehmen zu wollen" ???

The equivalent is English would be "to drop in and share a bite", or something similar. Even if it wasn't a big diplomatic dinner, you'd expect something a bit more formal from the office of the Reichskanzler.
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Post by Max Williams » 24 Jun 2017, 17:47

Knouterer wrote:The Reichsadler looks a bit funny too. I'm no expert but I don't think I have ever seen that version of the bird, with feathers elegantly spread like that, on any official document of the Third Reich.
Commonly seen on Hitler personal stationery.
However, the one on the invitation card appears to be slightly out of line with the top of the card.
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Post by Georges JEROME » 24 Jun 2017, 23:08

Max is right. Dr and major university rank are always mentionned. Here a (true) invitation to compare headline and guess titles

source : http://www.archiv.rwth-aachen.de/web/On ... e%20II.htm
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Post by ihoyos » 25 Jun 2017, 19:57

The last reply just confirm the fake of the item.
After 1935 the eagle logo face to left. This dated 1942??? Still facing right
That prove faker use original card used before 1935 , value blank probably $20, and filled with prominent name and date.

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Post by Max Williams » 26 Jun 2017, 00:44

ihoyos wrote:The last reply just confirm the fake of the item.
After 1935 the eagle logo face to left. This dated 1942??? Still facing right
That prove faker use original card used before 1935 , value blank probably $20, and filled with prominent name and date.
Not true, I'm afraid. I have a genuine Hitler correspondence card to Frau Braun dated well after 1935. The eagle is the same as in my image posted above.
More genuine Hitler stationery dated post-1935.
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Post by JoeW » 25 Jul 2017, 21:34

They are fake. Our local shop picked up a grouping that included four or five or the first invitations in blank. They were purchased by the assembler of the grouping from the 1990s through a few years ago. Like new condition.

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Post by Helly Angel » 26 Jul 2017, 07:32

I was checking in "Hitler proyect Meetings" here:

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=145970&start=45

Hitler was since the first days of february 17, 1942 in the Wolfsschanze until april 29, 1942, that he moved to Berghof:

"Meeting with Marshall Ion Antonescu (Romanian PM)
Date: 17.02.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: Staatsmänner II, page 57

Meeting with SS-Sturmbannführer Christian Frederik von Schalburg (Danish SS-volunteer)
Date: 22.02.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: Dienstkalender des Reichsführer SS

Meeting with General Talvela (Finish Verbindungsoffizier at the FHQ)
Date: 18.03.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: ?

Meeting with General Oshima (Japanese ambassador)
Date: 23.03.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: Staatsmänner II (no German record)

Meeting with King Boris III of Bulgaria
Date: 24.03.1943
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: Staatsmänner II (no German record)

Meeting with General Steflea (Romanian Chief of general staff)
Date: 03.04.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: Staatsmänner II (no German record)

Call with Mussolini at Rome
Date: 24.04.1942
Place: Wolfsschanze
Source: ?

Meeting with Mussolini and Count Ciano [and Generaloberst Count Cavallero (30.04.)]
Date: 29.4.1942/30.4.1942
Place: Schloss Klessheim (near Salzburg)/Berghof
Source: Youtube
Staatsmänner II, page 64 (29.04.)
Staatsmänner II, page 79 (30.04.)
Kriegstagebuch des OKW, volume III, page 21"

Then, is fake the info of the party in Berlin.

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Post by Max Williams » 02 Aug 2017, 21:00

Helly Angel wrote:I was checking in "Hitler proyect Meetings" here:

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=145970&start=45

Hitler was since the first days of february 17, 1942 in the Wolfsschanze until april 29, 1942, that he moved to Berghof:
Not quite right. He was in Berlin 15/16 March 1942. He spoke at the Zeughaus on Heldengedenktag 15 March.
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