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Top 50 most important Third Reich political figures

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Post by Manstein » 29 Jun 2003, 22:58

Who would you put in the top 50 in the Third Reich? (Remember, political, not military)

My list (from least to most important, now 100 political figures)

100. Franz Xaver Ritter von Epp
99. Paul Wegener
98. Gertrud Scholtz-Klink
97. Franz Hofer
96. Hans von Tschammer und Osten
95. Franz von Papen
94. Roland Freisler
93. Wilhelm Murr
92. Karl Weinrich
91. Rudolf Jordan
90. Odilo Globocnik
89. Hartmann Lauterbacher
88. Fritz Schlessmann
87. Wilhelm Grimm
86. Josef Wagner
85. Karl Wahl
84. Josef Grohe
83. Luetz Graf Schwerin von Krosigk
82. Friedrich Karl Florian
81. Carl Roever
80. Bernhard Rust
79. Hanns Kerrl
78. Joachim Albrecht Eggeling
77. Hugo Jury
76. Gustav-Adolf Scheel
75. Otto Telschow
74. Fritz Waechtler
73. Karl Fiehler
72. Martin Mutschmann
71. Adolf Huehnlein
70. Friedrich Hildebrandt
69. August Eigruber
68. Arthur Greiser
67. Siegfried Uiberreither
66. Gerhard Wagner
65. Artur Axmann
64. Otto Hellmuth
63. Ernst-Wilhelm Bohle
62. Leonardo Conti
61. Konstantin von Neurath
60. Konstantin Hierl
59. Ernst von Weizsaecker
58. Max Amann
57. Wilhelm Keppler
56. Dietrich Klagges
55. Fritz Bracht
54. Paul Giesler
53. Karl Hanke
52. Ernst Roehm
51. Friedrich Rainer
50. Gustav Simon
49. Emil Stuertz
48. Werner Best
47. Albert Forster
46. Joseph Buerckel
45. Hjalmar Schacht
44. Wilhelm Kritzinger
43. Alfred Meyer
42. Julius Streicher
41. Otto Thierack
40. Robert Wagner
39. Jakob Sprenger
38. Franz Schwede-Coburg
37. Erwin Kraus
36. Wilhelm Stuckart
35. Karl Kaufmann
34. Paul Koerner
33. Walter Buch
32. Hinrich Lohse
31. Franz Xaver Schwarz
30. Josef Terboven
29. Otto Dietrich
28. Karl Hermann Frank
27. Konrad Henlein
26. Baldur von Schirach
25. Erich Koch
24. Fritz Sauckel
23. Hans Frank
22. Adolf Wagner
21. Robert Ley
20. Kurt Daluege
19. Arthur Seyss-Inquart
18. Philipp Bouhler
17. Fritz Todt
16. Walther Funk
15. Heinrich Mueller
14. Richard Walter Darre
13. Alfred Rosenberg
12. Rudolf Hess
11. Hans Heinrich Lammers
10. Wilhelm Frick
9. Joachim von Ribbentrop
8. Albert Speer
7. Paul Josef Goebbels
6. Ernst Kaltenbrunner
5. Reinhard Heydrich
4. Hermann Goering
3. Heinrich Himmler
2. Martin Bormann
1. Adolf Hitler
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#2

Post by Morris » 29 Jun 2003, 23:01

Why is Goebbels less important than Bormann or even Heydrich?


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Post by Westwall » 29 Jun 2003, 23:03

Never heared of Lammers, Bouhler or Stuckart.
I think von Schirach was more important than 49th. Wasnt he the HJ guy?

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#4

Post by Ian Mc » 29 Jun 2003, 23:13

Hi !
Franz Xaver Schwartz and Ernst-Wilhelm Bohle should be on the list .

Regards , Ian .

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Post by Helly Angel » 29 Jun 2003, 23:16

Max Amann, Konstantin Hierl, Gertrud Scholk were important too.

Baldur Benedict von Schirach was more important.

I think Eichmann, Leo Conti, Victor Brack, Pohl, R. Glücks, W. Best were secundary in the Reich. They were not Politics, were single civil servants.

Who were Josef Grohe and Julius Dorpmueller?

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Post by RACPISA » 30 Jun 2003, 00:32

Westwall wrote:I think von Schirach was more important than 49th. Wasnt he the HJ guy?
Yup, he was, and he was also the Gauleiter of Vienna. I agree that he should have been lower on the list. I do agree with Bormann being #2. Even though he isn't as well-known as people like Goering and Himmler, he did a lot of sneaky, behind-the-scenes work.

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#7

Post by Hansson » 30 Jun 2003, 02:25

What year are we talking about? This must be very time dependent.

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Post by Manstein » 30 Jun 2003, 06:20

Helly Angel, Best, Brack, and Conti were govt. officials. Best was the governor of Denmark while Brack was Bouhler's deputy and Conti was the Reich Health Leader until 1944 and an official in the Interior Ministry. BTW, Dorpmueller was the Reich Transportation Minister while Grohe was the Gauleiter of Cologne-Aachen and the Reich Commissioner of Northern France and Belgium (1944).

Westwall, Lammers was the head of the Reich Chancery while Stuckart was the State Secretary of the Ministry of the Interior, and Bouhler was the head of the Fuehrer Chancery.

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Post by Mark Costa » 30 Jun 2003, 13:44

Manstein:

As this is my major area of interest, I have to disagree with many on your list. About half wouldn't make it on mine. The biggest omission is that your list does not include the most powerful of all Gauleiters, Adolf Wagner, one of Hitler's closest friends and the head of the Party in Munich. I have to agree with your assesment of Bormann as number 2.

People like Schellenberg, Thierak, Conti, Brack, Globcnik, Nemann, Litzmann are way over rated in their power. Schellenberg especially gained his fame through a faked memoir published after the war. They were little cogs in very small areas of responsibility. Many names gained their notoreity for their actions in the East but really had no power in the over all scheme of things. Teh real power rested with the Reichsleiters, Gaueliters, several SS generals like Heydrich and Muller, and some Ministers and their Deputies. Most Reichsleiters and Gauleiters were the ones dictating policies in their areas not the government leaders such as a Dorpmuller. Most of his power was taken away by Speer and Kraus during the war. Ohnesorge was a non-enitity.



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#10

Post by Westwall » 30 Jun 2003, 14:14

thanks for the info Manstein!

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Post by Qvist » 30 Jun 2003, 14:31

well, impressive effort! My immediate reaction is, what is Rosenberg doing that high? I thought he was practically without influence?

cheers

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#12

Post by Helly Angel » 30 Jun 2003, 15:21

Hey, THANKS Manstein!
Interesting topic :)

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Post by Jadeah2003 » 30 Jun 2003, 20:17

I agree with bormann being number 2 - Hitler was very dependent on him and after awhile bormann began to have some influence over him.

I agree with himmler being number 3 - due to his controling the SS and all the other Police.

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Post by gabriel pagliarani » 01 Jul 2003, 02:21

There is not Von Papen! Who was Leonardo Conti? Never heard about italians as leaders of NSDAP. Mmmhhh.... :? Reich's Health leader....more a "technician" charge that a political one. Wasn't he a surgeon?

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#15

Post by Helly Angel » 01 Jul 2003, 04:28

I think Leonardo Conti was a SS Medic very closed of Himmler.

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