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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Michael Miller » 05 Apr 2021 21:13

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Mark Costa » 05 Apr 2021 23:18

No 49 is definately N Eiden.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by laurens » 06 Apr 2021 10:12

Thanks Mark!!

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Br. James » 06 Apr 2021 14:43

Sorry that I can't add any names to these missing numbers, but in the first photo I noticed that the Blood Banner was present -- I wondered whether Jakob Grimminger had donned an SA Brownshirt rig for that photo shoot?!!

Great photos!

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Mark Costa » 06 Apr 2021 17:28

Br. James wrote:
06 Apr 2021 14:43
Sorry that I can't add any names to these missing numbers, but in the first photo I noticed that the Blood Banner was present -- I wondered whether Jakob Grimminger had donned an SA Brownshirt rig for that photo shoot?!!

Great photos!

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Br James:

The photo was taken in the entrace hall of the Braun Haus in Munich where the Blood Flag and the other rare flags was usually kept on display. So Grimminger probably was not even present when the photo session was set up.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Br. James » 06 Apr 2021 20:21

Yes, I can see that now; thanks, Mark. I didn't recognize the Memorial Hall in the front entranceway of the Brown House because the Blood Banner was usually the centerpiece of that flag display there...but in this photo, there appears to be another, much larger flag that is in the center of the display, with the Blood Flag off to one side.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Ignacio » 08 Apr 2021 19:53

Thank you Mike! Let's hope we can solve this picture...

1. SA-Oberführer Uhland Ludwig
2. SA-Standartenführer Jaster, Oscar
3. SA-Sturmbannführer Paul Faßbach
4. SA-Standartenführer Haldenwang, Otto von
5. SA-Sturmbannführer Klenke, Arnold ??
6. SA-Gruppenführer Hans Fuchs
7. SA-Standartenführer
8. SA-Sturmbannführer
9. SA-Gruppenführer Hermann Reschny
10. SA-Oberführer Dr. Heinrich Bennecke
11. SA-Stabschef Ernst Röhm
12. Oops-- forgot to number anyone as "12".
13. SA-Standartenführer Adolf Kob
14. SA-Oberführer Wilhelm Freiherr von Schorlemer
15. SA-Gruppenführer Franz Ritter von Hörauf
16. SA-____führer
17. SA-Oberführer Fritz Vielstich
18. Ritter von Schöpf
19. SA-Standartenführer Pahlings, Heinrich
20. SA-Sturmbannführer Thiele, Georg
21. SA-Standartenführer Haas, Karl
22. SA-Standartenführer Jürgensen, Heinrich
23. SA-Sturmbannführer Göllner, Fritz
24. SA-Sturmbannführer
25. SA-Sturmbannführer
26. SA-Standartenführer Pahlings, Heinrich
27. SA-____führer Kießling, Kurt
28. SA-Oberführer
29. SA-Standartenführer
30. SA-Standartenführer Alfred Richter
31. SA-Standartenführer Kraft, Karl
32. SA-Standartenführer Herwig, Adalbert
33. SA-Standartenführer Michaelis, Rudolf
34. SA-Standartenführer Wilhelm Sander
35. SA-Standartenführer Escher, Friedrich
36. SA-Sturmbannführer Wallis, Bruno
37. SA-Sturmbannführer
38. SA-Standartenführer Schäfer, Johannes
39. SA-Standartenführer
40. SA-Standartenführer Conta, Eberhard von
41. SA-______führer
42. SA-Sturmbannführer
43. SA-____führer
44. SA-Standartenführer
45. SA-Sturmbannführer
46. SA-Standartenführer Boese, Conrad
47. SA-Sturmbannführer
48. SA-Sturmbannführer
49. SA-Sturmbannführer Eiden, Nikolaus ?
50. SA-Sturmbannführer Sievers, Walter
51. SA-Standartenführer Kergel, Eberhard
52. SA-Standartenführer
53. SA-Standartenführer Borchmann, Emil Ernst
54. SA-Standartenführer Achim von Arnim
55. SA-Standartenführer Kaergel, Kurt
Great work, Laurens, amazing as usual.

Name of Staf. Heinrich Pahlings is repeated under Nrs. 19 and 26.

Although to identify faces is not my strength, Standartenführer Richard Herrmann attended the course and I guess he could be Nr. 39.

Nr. 28 could be Oberführer Otto Schramme.

The photo does not seem to show the promotions published in the Führerbefehl Nr. 11 of the OSAF dated 23.January.1933, for officers such as Karl Haas (identified as Staf. but promoted to Oberführer with effect 01.November.1932), Nikolaus Eiden (identified as Stubaf. but promoted to Standartenführer with effect 17.November.1932) or Bruno Wallis (identified as Stubaf. although promoted to Standartenführer with effect 17.November.1932 too), so I doubt that the Standartenführer under Nr. 53 identified as Emil Borchmann can be him, considering his promotion to Standartenführer was published in the same Führerbefehl Nr. 11 with effect 15.December.1932. ????

Hope soon I can scan and post the list of attendants, that confirms most of the names already listed.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by laurens » 09 Apr 2021 06:26

Thank you Ignacio!

Great info! I hope you can find the list of this Lehrgang too. I shall look tonight if I can find confirmation on Schramme and Herrmann. Herrmann could be, but Schramme I doubt.

I made a mistake #26 is Heinrich Gerlach

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Osloot » 09 Apr 2021 10:47

16 Alexander von Wangenheim ?
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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Mark Costa » 09 Apr 2021 13:07

Osloot wrote:
09 Apr 2021 10:47
16 Alexander von Wangenheim ?

Osloot:

So glad to see you have become active again. You have much contribute here. I have followed your twitter for years.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Ignacio » 09 Apr 2021 22:45

Hello to all

Here is the list of the attendants to the 15. RFS Kurs. Sorry for the bad quality of the images but the original documents in the microfilm frame are too small
15.Kurs_1 T-581_073.jpg
15.Kurs_2 T-581_073.jpg
Hope you find it mostly readable and useful.

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Ian Sayer » 09 May 2021 09:05

Thank you Ignacio.
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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Ian Sayer » 09 May 2021 12:45

I have the signatures of most of the candidates from the 7th Leadership Course. Here is a list of them which may help with the identication of the the remaining SA officers in the photograph.
029 7th Leadership Course 7th-19th December 1931




342 Schmidhuber August
343 von Fichte Werner
344 Heines Edmund
345 Part of text 344
346 Lutze Viktor
347 Part of text 346
348 Litzmann Karl-Siegmund
349 Part of text 348
350 von Krausser Fritz
351 Part of text 350
352 Ernst Karl
353 Beckerle Adolf Heinz
354 Herwig Hermann Wurzburg, Mitteland
355 Usadel Georg
356 Schoene Heinrich
357 Lintz Karl (1903-1941?) SA Standartenführer 80 Wiesbaden Later SA Brigadeführer 1938
358 Rees Rudolf (NSKK) Oberstaffelfuhrer Pfalz-Saar Later NSKK Gruppenführer
359 Kärgel Kurt SA Standartenführer 4 Leipzig

030

360 von Jagow Dietrich
361 Steinhoff Emil
362 Adam Fritz SA Standartenführer 8 Kustrin
363 Reinl Hans SA Standartenführer 7 Innsbruck
364 Sommer Otto SA Standartenführer 119 Stuttgart
365 Heuer Erich Stabsfuhrer Gausturm Ostmark
Later SA Brigadeführer-1937
366 Schildt Joh. Gaupropagandaleiter
367 Lamb Johann SA Standartenführer 22 Pirmasens
368 Dingfelder Hans SA Standartenführer 19 Ansbach
369 Harmel Gerhard (1898-?) SA Standartenführer 9 Kolberg
370 Schmeer Eduard SA Standartenführer 25 Aachen
371 Mohel Gustav SA Standartenführer 5 Linz
372 Gellert George SA Standartenführer 26
Later SA Brigadeführer-1937
373 Soest Heinrich SA Standartenführer 82 Gottingen
374 Fenz Friedrich-Josef Graz

031

375 Saucke Karl Standarte 92
376 Meyer-Quade Joachim
377 Böckenhauer Arthur
378 Rohde Paul SA Sturmbannführer II/45 Hamburg
379 Götz Hans Plauen

380 Bickert Jakob SA Sturmbannführer I/1
381 Kuls Friedrich Adolf Sbfr. Gruppe-Nord
382 Bleeker Anton SA Standartenführer 2 Ostfriesland
383 Moraller Franz Karlsruhe Stabsfuhrer
384 Schinnerer Fritz Augsburg
Later RAD Generalarbeitsfuhrer
385 Philippi Heinrich Standarte 28 Koblenz

032

386 Augustius? Kettwig
387 Müller Erich SA Sturmführer S/1/14 Nürnberg See 032

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Ian Sayer » 09 May 2021 12:59

I also have the signatures of most of the attendees from the 15th Leadership Course . Here is a list of those who have been identified. By referring to Ignacio's list and cross referencing with mine you might be able to identify more individuals.
The signatures were provided at a 'Welcome Party' for the 15th Course so they also include visiting dignitaries
I hope it will be helpful.

069 15th Leadership Course (20th January - 4th February 1932) Welcome Party

946 Huhnlein Adolf Chief NSKK
947 Hofmann Hans Georg
948 Schmid Wilhelm
949 von Krausser Fritz
950 Wäckerle Emil

070

951 Seydel Josef
952 Korsemann Gerret
953 Braun Wilhelm
954 Kramarz Hans NSD St B
955 Moulin-Eckart Karl-Leon Graf du
956 Haas Karl Erwin
957 Richter Alfred 76
958 Grolman Wilhelm von
959 Haldenwang Otto von (1896-1967)
960 Hövel Walter Untergruppe Grenzland
961 Vielstich Fritz

071

962 Kaul Erich? SA Sturmführer ? H 17
963 Klenke Arnold SA Obertruppenführer Hannover
964 Herrmann Richard
965 Schmidt Fritz
966 Wetter August Wilhelm
967 Uhland Ludwig
968 Kraft Karl See 1217 SA Standartenführer 4 Chiemgau Later S A Gruppenführer DOB 11. März 1893). Landwirt. Führer der SA-Brigade 54 in Mühlen. Zum 10. April 1938 wurde er zum SA-Brigadeführer befördert. Bei der Reichstagswahl vom April 1938 erfolglos vorgeschlagen als Abgeordneter für dennationalsozialistischen Reichstag auf der „Liste des Führers zur Wahl des Großdeutschen Reichstages“.
969 Pahlings Heinrich
970 Gerlach Heinrich Later SA Brigadeführer 1934 Bis Juli 1933 Führer der SA-Untergruppe Leipzig.
971 Kob Adolf
972 Conta Eberhard von NSKK Gruppenstaffelführer Hochland & SA Oberführer Amstleiter NSDAP
973 Schorlemer Wilhelm von
974 Reschny Hermann
975 Escher Friedrich Later SA Brigadeführer 1934
976 Thiele Georg
977 Boese Konrad Later SA Brigadeführer 1934 (30. Januar 1896). Führer Standarte 6 Ostmark.
978 Swoboda Franz
979 Borchmann Emil Ernst Later SA Brigadeführer 1934
Emil Borchmann. Flieger. Von 1933 bis 1935 Führer der Brigade 19 (Mittelschlesien-Nord). Dann von 1936 bis 1937 Führer der Brigade 18 in Schweidnitz. Zum 1. Juli 1937 wurde er zum Stabsführer der Gruppe Schlesien des NSFK ernannt.

072

980 Herwig Hans-Adalbert SA Sturm 16 Limburg

073

981 Röhm Ernst
982 von Eberstein Karl Freiherr
983 Wäckerle Emil
984 Huhnlein Adolf
985 Bergmann Robert
986 Christian name of 985
987 Schmid Wilhelm
988 Kruse Peter
989 Illegible See 1007 & 1057
990 Illegible wilhelm
991 Olner?
992 Zähle Walter Later SA Brigadeführer 1938
993 Fritsch Georg
994 Schinnkuhne?
995 Seydel Josef
996 Gerlach Heinrich Later SA Brigadeführer 1934
997 Göllner Fritz Nordmark
998 Jurgensen Heinrich Nordmark
999 Krahl? Nordmark
1000 Rau Georg

074

1001 Herrmann Richard
1002 Conta Eberhard von
1003 Kärgel Kurt Later SA Brigadeführer1937
1004 Kob Adolf



* Kurt Kärgel (* 11. September 1901). Bruder des SS-Führers Hans Kärgel. Nach 1933 Stadtwerksdirektor in Leipzig. Als Stadtrat im Mai 1933 zur Säuberung der städtischen technischen Werke und Verkehrsbetriebe eingesetzt

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Re: Identification of SA leaders - Group photos at the Reichsführerschule der SA

Post by Michael Miller » 09 May 2021 18:11

Thank you for these great contributions to the discussion, Ian.

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