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Post by Mark Costa » 30 Jun 2003 16:32

Here is my list of the RAD Generals. Hopefully someone can update this as there are many gaps. Note: the rank of Oberst-generalarbeitsfuhrer, although created in 1943 seems never to have been awarded. And the ranks of Oberstgeneralfeldmeister and Generalfeldeister as listed in Angolia's book simply never existed.

OBERGENERALARBEITSFUHRERS:

Hans Baumann
Wilhelm Busse
Wilhelm Decker
Alfred Muller -- head of Arbeitsgau 26
Dr. Fritz Schroeder
Hermann Tholens
Karl Wilhelm Von Alten -- head of Arbeitsgau 15
Curt Freiherr Loffelholz Von Colberg
Dr. Hermann Wager
Schinnerer, First name unknown -- head of Arbeitsgau 31.



GENERALARBEITSFUHRERS:
These are listed by Arbeitsgaus per the 1943 RAD Jahrbuch. Most first names are unknown to me.

Eisenbeck, Martin -- AG 1
Herzog, ? -- AG 2
Triebel, ? -- AG 3
Rochell, ? -- AG 4
Maz. ? -- AG 5
Kichbaum, Karl -- AG 6
Munzert, ? -- AG 7
Von Bother, ? -- AG 8
Von Wenstein, ? -- AG 9
Roch, Rudolf -- AG 10
Arndt, Gunther -- AG 11
Schneider, ? -- AG 12
Prentzel, ? -- AG 13
Simon, Karl -- AG 14
Kohler, Friedrich -- AG 16
Blank, Max -- AG 17
Oswald, ? -- AG 18
Loye, Fritz -- AG 19
Hoppenrath, ? -- AG 20
Klein, ? -- AG 21
Neuerberg, ? -- AG 22
Kretzschmann, Hermann -- AG 23
Etterich, Arthur -- AG 24
Faatz, ? -- AG 25
Helff, ? -- AG 27
Schraf, ? -- AG 28
Riestler, ? -- AG 29
Schmuckle, Karl -- AG 30
Brack, ? -- AG 32
Hickl, ? -- AG 34
Band, Victor -- AG 35
Lustfelch, ? -- AG 36
Pfrogner, Anton -- AG 37
Leitner, ? -- AG 38
Wessermann, ? -- AG 39
Confillius, ? -- AG 40

Note -- AG 31 and 33 were run by non-generals at least in 1943.

Also listed here are others also holding the ranks of Generlarbeitsfuhrer:
Bolgt, ?
Bormann, Herbert
Brendel, ?
Ehrlich, ?
Kampmann, Karoly
Klockner, ?
Kunzel, ?
Von Gonner, Rolf
Von Mangoldt, ?
Wende, ?
Heinrici, ? AG 28 in 1939
Laur, ? AG 29 in 1939
Lukesch, Hans -- AG 36 in 1939
Klausch, Gunther
Dortschy, Hans
Stoll, Otto
Bruer, Hermann
Voigt, Max

Please make any additions, changres etc. Thanks.

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Post by Andreas Schulz » 01 Jul 2003 00:17

Here is my list of RAD Generals. I think the list in complete.

Generalfeldmeister
Wagner, Dr. Hermann

Obergeneralarbeitsführer
Busse, Wilhelm
Decker, Dr. Wilhelm
Schmeidler, Dr. Herbert
Tholens, Hermann
Alten, Viktor von
Henrici, Dr. Waldemar
Schinnerer, Friedrich
Eisenbeck, Martin
Schmückle, Karl
Simon, Karl
Loye, Friedrich zur
Band, Viktor


char. Obergeneralarbeitsführer
Löffelholz, Wilhelm von Colberg
Köhler, Friedrich
Baumann, Hans
Schröder, Ludwig
Dortschy, Hans


Generalarbeitsführer
Kerrl, Hans
Gönner, Rolf von
Krause, Albert
Laur, Carl
Kampmann, Karoly
Roch, Rudolf
Schröder, Dr. Fritz (S)
Prentzel, Max
Pressenthin, Bredo v.
Wenkstein, Carl von
Arndt, Günther
Blank, Max
Bormann, Herbert
Etterich, Arthur
Faatz, Wilhelm
Helff, Eduard
Klockner, Hans-Georg
Kretzschmann, Hermann
Krichbaum, Karl
Müller, Alfred
Neuerburg, Wilhelm
Oswald, August
Klein, Wilhelm
Triebel, Otto
Bruer, Hermann
Berck, Julius
Hoppenrath, Paul
Lambeck, Ernst
Preuschen, Alfred
Wende, Kurt
Hickl, Friedrich
Kahlen, Erwin
Pfrogner, Anton
Scharf, Kurt
Klausch, Günther
Voigt, Max
Stoll, Otto
Leuthner, Emil
Riester, Herbert
Commichau, Alexander
Mangoldt, Hans von
Bethmann, Walter
Bothmer, Ullrich v.
Herzog, Heinz
Künzel, Alfred
Lukesch, Ivo
Schneider, Johann
Ehrlich, Dr. Kurt
Brack, Werner
Brendel, Hans
Consilius, Waldemar
Matz, Hans
Rocholl, Hermann
Wesemann, Hans
Hinkel, Heinrich
Leitner, Robert
Munzert, Howhard
Schulze, Wilhelm
Zahnow, Gustav
Müller-Brandenburg, Hermann
Hasper, Kurt
Lasch, Carl
Oberfeld, Emil
Weiße, Günther


char. Generalarbeitsführer
Tiemann, Willy
Zweifel, Johann
Meier-Rönningen, Johann
Müller-Roger, Herbert
Görer von Ravensburg, Kurt
Wohlgemuth, Dr. Arthur (S)
Maßmann, Rudolf
Meißner, Georg
Dreyrer, Franz
Lemp, Ludwig
Bangert, Viktor
Fonck, Richard
Ruschmann, Wilhelm
Weise, Willibald
Zimmer, Emil
Berry, Heinrich
Ulrich, Ernst
Ludwig, Alfred
Eichmann, Otto
Hildebrandt, Heinrich
Vogt, Franz
Sommer, Max
Amberger, Gustav
Kaufmann, Karl
Berendt, Erich
Hoffmann, Werner


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Post by Georges JEROME » 01 Jul 2003 00:21

Hi Mark,

3 Otto
8 Botho von Rautter
9 Karl von Wenckstern
12 Johann
13 Max
18 August
20 Paul
21 Wilhelm
22 Wilhelm
25 Wilhelm
27 Eduard
28 Kurt
29 Riefter (name)
34 Friedrich
Klockner Hans Georg
Dr Waldemar Heinrici
Kurt Wende

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Post by Mark Costa » 01 Jul 2003 12:17

AnDie --- Many thanks for your great list. It is much appreciated. I assume the char. before the ranks indicates retired or honorary?
Do you have any info regarding the promotion of Wagner to Generalfeld meister? I have been told by one of the experts on the RAD that this rank did not exist. Do you have any pre-1945 documentation?

Thanks again for all your help.

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Post by Mark Costa » 01 Jul 2003 12:19

eorges:

Thank you for all your help in listing the first names of the Generalarbeitfuhrers. I was working off of a 1943 RAD Jahrbuch and it did not list all the first names. Very few available books describe the RAD in detail and the leaders are even less known. Many thanks for your help.

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Post by Andreas Schulz » 01 Jul 2003 13:30

Hi Mark,

Wagner was promoted on 20.04.1945 to Generaloberfeldmeister (not Generalfeldmeister - my mistake in the list).
I have no documents. I have only a list of RAD Generals with the last ranks from Dr. Horst Henrich (he died 2001).
But the german expert of RAD is Dr. Michael Jonas (see his http://www.arbeitsdienst.de)
Have you the other promotion dates of Hermann Wagner?

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Post by Mark Costa » 01 Jul 2003 15:03

AnDie:

Many thanks for your reply. This is the first time I have heard of the rank Generaloberfeldmeister. The others were Generalfeldmeister and Oberst-generalfeldmeister according to Angolia's book. My source that these did not exist was the premier collector Clyde Davis. Davis stated that these never existed, only the rank of Oberst-generalarbeitsfuhrer, which he said was never awarded. I will have to relay this info to him on Wagner. I have a bio of him from Patzwalls book on KC holders of the Merit Cross will post to you later as I am at work right now.

Also, The RAD jahrbuch for 1943 lists Alfred Muller as a Obergeneralarbeitsfuhrer.

What does the "char" stand for before the ranks ?

Thanks again.

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Post by Andreas Schulz » 02 Jul 2003 00:19

char. = Charakter (honory rank)

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Post by Mark Costa » 02 Jul 2003 02:28

AnDie:

Here is the bio on Hermann Wagner. Hope this helps.

Thanks agan for all your help.

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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Jul 2003 09:55

Hi Mark
I Have a similar list as yours but from the 1942 Party jahrbuch,changes are as follows
Arbeitsgauleitungen;
XXVI Alfred Muller
XXXIII Paul Oppenrath
the remainder are tjhe same in 1942 as in 1943
I have a note date unknown that AG XV was Sachsen-Ost and AG XVI was Sachsen-West both under Curt Haase to 1.3.1933 they were combined into AG XV Sachsen and AG XVI became Westfalen-Nord
I have a listing for Bayern-Oberland undere Karl Schmuckle with no number can you help.
What areas were covered by AG XXXIX and XXXX?
For your info
RAD 1942
Reichskommisar Franz Seldte
Reichsarbeitsführer Konstantin Hierl
Chef des Stabes Dr Wilhelm Decker
Prasident des Rechthofes Wilhelm Busse
AMTER
Dienstamt
Rolf von Gonner to 29.3.41
Gunther Klausch from 29.3.41
Personalamt
Hans Dortschy
Eziehungs & Ausbildung
Hermann Tholens
Wilhelm Decker
Arbeitsleitung
Hermann Tholens
Verwaltung und Wirtschaft
Dr Herbert Schmeidler
Gesundheitsdienst
Reichsarbeitsarzt Dr Fritz Schoder
Presse & Propaganda
Karoly Kampmann
Hermann Muller-Brandenburg
Erstaz und Meldewesen
Hermann breuer
Recht
Dr ? von Funcke
Unterricht
Hermann Kretzschmann
Leibesubungen
Hans Suren
Heildiensamt
Reichsarbeitsarzt Dr ? Schuster
Der Arbeitmann Hauptschule
Dr Heinrich Olms
INSPEKTIONS
fur leibesubungen
Hans Suren
fur Furhrerschulen
DR Wilhelm Decker
fur Reichsschule fur Arbeitsdienst Otto Lancelle
fur Lehrabteilungen Otto Lancelle
Reisharbeitsdienst fur die Weibliche Jugend Dr Wilhelm Decker
Sorry there are no dates
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Post by VJK » 02 Jul 2003 18:21

Hi!

Can anyone make out the signature/identify this Generalarbeitsfuehrer?

Regards,

VJK
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Post by Stauffenberg II » 02 Jul 2003 18:50

Hi VJK!

Looks like "Schroeder" to me.

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Post by VJK » 02 Jul 2003 18:58

Hi Stauffenberg II !

Thanks very much for that - I guess that makes him Obergeneralarbeitsfuehrer Fritz Schroeder as there doesn't appear to be any other Schroeder.

Regards,

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Post by Mark Costa » 02 Jul 2003 19:40

Actually I have evidence of two Obergeneralarbeitsfuhrers named Schroeder --- Fritz Schroeder and a Ludwig Schroeder. Take your pick !

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Post by Georges JEROME » 02 Jul 2003 22:31

VJK wrote:Hi!

Can anyone make out the signature/identify this Generalarbeitsfuehrer?

Regards,

VJK


Hi VJK

is there any indication upon the place of the photograph at the bottom of the picture.
this can help to identyfie whose Schroeder he is.

JG

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