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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 06 Jul 2021 23:30

Psychiatric disorders aren't especially heritable:
Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder – 15%
Bipolar disorder and depression – 10%
Schizophrenia and depression – 9%
Schizophrenia and autism – 3%.
And there is no evidence that Alois Hitler was mentally ill anyway.

von Below wrote this too:
I was appalled at his unworldliness and innocence as to an industrial potential [of the US] which just over twenty years previously had been decisive in the Great War. It exposed the amateurism of his foreign policy and his deficient knowledge of the world beyond Europe.
so he wasn't just another Hitler's fanboy.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 07 Jul 2021 00:47

wm wrote:
06 Jul 2021 23:30
Psychiatric disorders aren't especially heritable:
Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder – 15%
Bipolar disorder and depression – 10%
Schizophrenia and depression – 9%
Schizophrenia and autism – 3%.
The only two disorders that are relevant in the link you provided are the following:
Autism spectrum disorders
Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)


I never wrote that Hitler had schizophrenia because I do not think that he did, although many people have tried to link it to him in the past.

You will not find a psychiatric profile for either Alois or Adolf from that era because the knowledge base for these disorders did not exist at that time. Profiling their behaviors is what gives us the ability to identify the most likely source for their mental problems.
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And there is no evidence that Alois Hitler was mentally ill anyway.
Alois was a known child and substance (alcohol) abuser throughout Adolf's upbringing, this is not a mystery, it is a fact and it serves as the evidence that you need for him.

The likelihood that neither of these people were mentally ill is not possible, especially since they were both engaged in lifelong behaviors that are clinically associated with severe mental illness now in our era. If you study the specific traits that I linked in the original post you will see how they overlap without any difficulty.

Heritable disorders have been part of the human genome since the beginning of our DNA, there absolutely is a genetic link between the behaviors of the father and son.
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von Below wrote this too:
I was appalled at his unworldliness and innocence as to an industrial potential [of the US] which just over twenty years previously had been decisive in the Great War. It exposed the amateurism of his foreign policy and his deficient knowledge of the world beyond Europe.
so he wasn't just another Hitler's fanboy.
What exactly is the point of von Below's writings that you are trying to make?

He was capable of controlling his behaviors to some extent, depending on his surroundings and who he was dealing with at any given time. Yet, it is well documented that he was infamous for his temper, especially as the war turned against him. There is so much evidence for Hitler's outlandish actions during his lifetime that citing von Below will not wipe away the rest of it; too many instances of him behaving in an immature and melodramatic manner, especially when the situation was out of his control.

I found this article from Der Spiegel about one of the first recorded Hitler rants against his generals during WW2, it took place on 18 SEP 1942 in Vinnitsa, Ukraine.
https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/adolf ... 57045.html

Part of von Below's quote helps to confirm my point that Hitler had no real education or comprehension of the world.
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He had only a superficial understanding of subjects, unless he had an obsessive infatuation with it, examples include art, opera, architecture, petroleum, and automobiles.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 09 Jul 2021 20:52

Nothing wrong with a superficial understanding of subjects - you can't be a master of all trades.

Von Below says that at some point in time he became aware that Hitler wasn't up to the task to be a leader of Germany.
That Hitler was an unworldly amateur. It happened when Hitler declared war on the US.

Mental illness doesn't create monsters, even more, doesn't create super-intelligent monsters as Hollywood wants us to believe.
Mental illness, even psychopathy is usually an obstacle to live a normal life - like the usual illnesses doesn't help in anything.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 10 Jul 2021 15:43

wm wrote:
09 Jul 2021 20:52
Nothing wrong with a superficial understanding of subjects - you can't be a master of all trades.
True, but if people want to better understand what mental illness is and how it is so prevalent, they will need to take the time to study the subject in-depth. Society's lack of understanding in general is what allows mentally ill people like this to rise into positions of authority and power that they do not belong in.
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Von Below says that at some point in time he became aware that Hitler wasn't up to the task to be a leader of Germany.
That Hitler was an unworldly amateur. It happened when Hitler declared war on the US.
He served as Hitler's Luftwaffe adjutant since 1937, which would appear to be a long time spent in his company. However, von Below only knew him in a professional capacity, and met him long after he had made his transformation from a nobody to der Fürher, it would make sense that he would not catch on to his lack of reality and worldly comprehension until after the situation got out of hand. Remember up until 1941 German leadership was relying on the military excellence of other people. As Hitler kept upping the stakes with further invasions and declarations of war it was too much for even the best of Germany's auxiliary leaders to handle.
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Mental illness doesn't create monsters, even more, doesn't create super-intelligent monsters as Hollywood wants us to believe.
Mental illness, even psychopathy is usually an obstacle to live a normal life - like the usual illnesses doesn't help in anything.
That is correct and I wrote it at the beginning of my original post.
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I do not intend for any of this to be interpreted that mental illness makes people evil or bad, only that so many disturbed tyrants and dictators were in fact Autistic, and they all suffered from significant personality disorders as a result.
It is accurate to say that the mentally ill will face numerous obstacles throughout their lives, and Hitler definitely fit that profile having experienced so many of them until he was 25 and joined the Deutsches Heer.

In 1908, Hitler ended his friendship with August Kubizek (one of his only friends), and was homeless for years while living in Vienna. He wasted his inheritance money on frivolous activities, and he was so unemployable that he never had a real job or any vocational training. His interactions with people during that time of his life are consistently characterized as strange, odd, weird, hyperactive, sullen, withdrawn and combative with the other residents in the dormitories he lived in. Millions of other Europeans suffered the same fate due to their own mental illness, so he was not alone or remarkable for his time.

Mental illness will not make someone super-intelligent (Hitler supposedly had an above average IQ) but it will allow that person to devolve into self-destructive acts without them realizing it. In Hitler's case it is self-evident that due to his genetic pre-disposition, violent childhood upbringing, and exposure to 4 years of extreme wartime violence (twice wounded), it produced an unlikely series of events that ultimately created the world's worst dictator.

Without therapy and medicine it is highly improbable that a mentally ill person (then or today) will suddenly come to the realization what the source of their problems are. A few people can cope with their mental problems enough to lead a semi-normal life, but they constitute a select minority of those who are afflicted. Since Hitler never received any kind of therapy or help regarding his mental illness he was allowed to degenerate over time into such a depraved state of mind that his actions ultimately brought apocalyptic ruin to Germany and the rest of Europe.

There can be no doubt that Hitler was a mentally ill man, he was born with Autism and due to his horrible life he developed a series of Personality Disorders which led him to becoming a Sadist.
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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 10 Jul 2021 17:35

Autism implies poor social skills but they say he was a master of social interactions - after all he didn't become the Führer because he was sulking. Masses don't follow sullen leaders.

I would say nothing wrong with pursuing his dreams in Vienna, quite reasonable dreams (to become an architect) to boot.
In comparison with the mass of today's basement dwellers, simps, woke warriors, rebels without a cause he was basically an outstanding citizen.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 10 Jul 2021 20:47

wm wrote:
10 Jul 2021 17:35
Autism implies poor social skills but they say he was a master of social interactions - after all he didn't become the Führer because he was sulking. Masses don't follow sullen leaders.
That is not accurate because Autism has a wide range of traits that are not exclusive to poor social skills, nobody would have followed a pre-WW1 Hitler. The man they came to know was the post-WW1 version, after he had undergone extreme changes due to his martial experiences and military lifestyle; he was still known for his rambling one-sided conversations throughout his life.

Review this link to see how many traits are actually linked to this syndrome, Hitler meets at least 10 out of 15 (66%).
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/facts.html
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I would say nothing wrong with pursuing his dreams in Vienna, quite reasonable dreams (to become an architect) to boot.
In comparison with the mass of today's basement dwellers, simps, woke warriors, rebels without a cause he was basically an outstanding citizen.
I would not consider him an outstanding citizen pre-WW1 since he was probably an Austrian draft dodger, and he was perpetually homeless.
Shirer, William L. (1960). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. pg.27

He contributed nothing to his society from 18-25 years old, and he only served in a foreign Army after WW1 had started. His actions during the war would make him an above average citizen with the promise of a better future as a result. However, pre-WW1 he more closely resembled the simps, etc. in your reference above, and this is inline with the traits of mental illness for that age group.

If he had really wanted to become an architect there were other schools and institutions he could have attempted to join, instead he did nothing after getting rejected twice from the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts from 1908-1913, at least 5 years of personal abeyance.
He stayed in Vienna, subsisting on his orphan allowance, and tried unsuccessfully to continue his profession as an artist. Soon he had withdrawn into poverty and started selling amateur paintings, mostly watercolours, for meagre sustenance until he left Vienna for Munich in May 1913. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... rts_Vienna

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 12 Jul 2021 00:56

Hitler, a German nationalist was an enemy of the Habsburgs so reasonably didn't want to serve in their army. But he volunteered for the German Army as soon as possible.

Hitler didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't do coke or sleep around, read as much as he could, pursued his hobbies - painting and architecture. He earned his living but spent money on books.
No wonder his neighbors didn't like him. They probably mostly spent their free time in beer halls, brawling and patronizing houses of ill repute.

von Below:
His memory was very good and his knowledge of many subjects such as music, history and the natural sciences above average. Hew was self-taught, but this self-education had been continuous over decades and had an unusually broad basis.
Even if many of his scientific or historical assertions would not bear academic scrutiny, nevertheless he could argue in depth over a far wider range of subjects than most.
He was not often contradicted, however, for few experts in any field were to be found in his intimate conversation circle, in which good listeners preponderated.
So the conversations were one-sided because his guests lacked the knowledge needed to make them better.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 12 Jul 2021 03:46

wm wrote:
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Hitler, a German nationalist was an enemy of the Habsburgs so reasonably didn't want to serve in their army. But he volunteered for the German Army as soon as possible.
If Hitler were a German citizen by birth and he had lived in Munich instead of Vienna, than yes we can say he would have been a good German patriot. However, he was an Austrian, and as you pointed out he was also an enemy of the political leaders at that time, somehow that does not equate with outstanding citizenry.
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Hitler didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't do coke or sleep around, read as much as he could, pursued his hobbies - painting and architecture. He earned his living but spent money on books.
No wonder his neighbors didn't like him. They probably mostly spent their free time in beer halls, brawling and patronizing houses of ill repute.
There is nothing wrong with him being a teetotaler and abstaining from making other poor life choices, so we can give him credit for that. Still he was not getting bullied by his neighbors, because he was the source for his own troubles.

I have provided 5 separate quotes below showing Hitler was far more unstable and mentally ill during that time than perhaps you are aware of. I have underlined clinical signs and traits for Autistic behavior, specifically Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

We can also see that Herr Kubizek actually lived with him as a roommate and had nothing positive to say about his "work ethic", temperament and overall behavior.
1. For some years he lived a lonely and isolated life, earning a precarious livelihood by painting postcards and advertisements and drifting from one municipal hostel to another. Hitler already showed traits that characterized his later life: loneliness and secretiveness, a bohemian mode of everyday existence, and hatred of cosmopolitanism and of the multinational character of Vienna.https://www.britannica.com/biography/Adolf-Hitler
2. Hitler's friend from his hometown of Linz, August Kubizek, also came to Vienna and they roomed together. In Vienna, Hitler continued the same lazy lifestyle he had enjoyed in Linz after dropping out of school. Kubizek described Hitler as a night owl who slept till noon, would go out for walks taking in all the sights, then stay up late discussing his ideas on everything from social reform to city planning. Hitler made no effort to get a regular job, considering himself far above that. He dressed like an artist and at night dressed like a young gentleman of leisure and often attended the opera.

Kubizek also recalled Hitler displayed an increasingly unstable personality with a terrible temper. At times he was quite reasonable but he was always prone to sudden outbursts of rage especially when he was corrected on anything. https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ ... meless.htm
3. Hitler was also prone to sudden bursts of inspiration and had many interesting ideas but never finished anything he started. Whether composing his own opera or redesigning the city of Vienna, he would start with much enthusiasm and work hard, only to eventually lose interest.https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ ... meless.htm
4. He lived by himself, moving from place to place as his savings gradually dwindled and his lifestyle spiraled downward. Despite the need for money, Hitler made no attempt to get regular employment. He eventually pawned all his possessions and actually wound up sleeping on park benches and begging for money. He quickly became a dirty, smelly, unshaven young man wearing tattered clothes and did not even own an overcoat. In December of 1909, freezing and half starved, he moved into a homeless shelter.
https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ ... meless.htm
5. Hanish recalled Hitler as undisciplined and moody, always hanging around the men's home, eager to discuss politics and often making speeches to the residents. He usually flew into a rage if anyone contradicted him. Eventually, Hitler quarreled with Hanish, even accusing him of stealing his property and falsely testified against him in court in August 1910, getting Hanish an eight-day jail sentence. (In 1938 Hanish was murdered on Hitler's orders after talking to the press about him).
https://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ ... meless.htm
All of this happened from FEB 1908 - AUG 1910 which accounts for the first 2.5 years of him living in Vienna as an adult, there is nothing praiseworthy about his life during that time. He also began acting with deceitful intent by falsely accusing an innocent man of theft, he then committed perjury in a court of law, and do not forget that he had Herr Hanish murdered 28 years later. How can he be considered a good citizen with this kind of record?
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von Below:
His memory was very good and his knowledge of many subjects such as music, history and the natural sciences above average. Hew was self-taught, but this self-education had been continuous over decades and had an unusually broad basis.
Even if many of his scientific or historical assertions would not bear academic scrutiny, nevertheless he could argue in depth over a far wider range of subjects than most.
He was not often contradicted, however, for few experts in any field were to be found in his intimate conversation circle, in which good listeners preponderated.
So the conversations were one-sided because his guests lacked the knowledge needed to make them better.
Yes, that would seem likely until we match it up against the behavioral traits for Autism.

Hans Asperger referred to Autistics as "little professors" because they recite information ad nauseam, maybe an older Hitler made it a bit more entertaining to listen to him, but it was still a one-sided event. Herr Asperger identified a pattern of behavior and abilities in them that included a lack of empathy, little ability to form friendships, one-sided conversation, and intense absorption in a special interest.

He had an intense interest in learning, but he was totally unteachable and that is more important than his personal knowledge base. He would not have been able to engage in a normal conversation without turning it into an encyclopedic recitation, and that is exactly what he was doing.

One more thing to add that I just found, even by 1945 Hitler was still known for his poor table manners and absentmindedness during conversations, according to a diary that went up for auction in 2009 written by an unknown German officer by the name of Lieutenant Colonel PW; he had shared dinner with him at least 30 times while at the Wolfsschanze.
"Hitler eats rapidly, mechanically - for him food is merely an indispensable means of subsistence" he wrote. "Quite often Hitler will sit there throughout the entire meal, turned to his own thoughts, seemingly without listening to the talk going on around him. At the table and in his speech he shows many facets of his rather uncouth behavior. He abstractedly bites his fingernails, he runs his index finger back and forth under his nose, and his table manners are little short of shocking."
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 67476.html

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 13 Jul 2021 09:56

How do you know that he falsely accused an innocent man of theft - there is no evidence of that, except that some (hostile) guy said it.

Rowdy political discussions, rage were the norm then because people genuinely and often fanatically believed and fanatically defended theirs believes.
Hitler's rages were part of his style and were frequently carefully orchestrated, even his speeches weren't spontaneous but read from outline manuscripts.

Today 50 percent of young American people (18-29) live with their parents doing basically nothing except living and consuming, Hitler at least was better than that.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 13 Jul 2021 10:04

How about this behavioral trait for Autism:
speaks well of Hitler.jpg
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or this:
Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend.png
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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 14 Jul 2021 17:33

wm wrote:
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How do you know that he falsely accused an innocent man of theft - there is no evidence of that, except that some (hostile) guy said it.
If we look at the outcome of this situation we will see that Hanish was murdered on Hitler's orders, which is sufficient evidence to show that he had something to hide, therefore he most likely perjured himself in court.
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Rowdy political discussions, rage were the norm then because people genuinely and often fanatically believed and fanatically defended theirs believes.
Hitler's rages were part of his style and were frequently carefully orchestrated, even his speeches weren't spontaneous but read from outline manuscripts.
Precisely, his style of behavior in the early years of his life, fit perfectly within the ADHD and ODD profiles; intense and outrageous overreactions that are frequent for mentally ill young men. The unruly nature surrounding his personal life demonstrates to us that these behaviors were common among this particular class of people - he was living among the homeless at this time. A disproportionately higher number of mentally ill people are found among the poorer segments of any society.
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Today 50 percent of young American people (18-29) live with their parents doing basically nothing except living and consuming, Hitler at least was better than that.
Please provide your source for this statistic, would this have anything to do with COVID over that past year?

Please explain how it is better to live in a homeless shelter after squandering what meager funds were available to him, and refusing to get a job?
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How about this behavioral trait for Autism: this
I am sure you have heard of Engelsina Markizova, she was also a propaganda showpiece for Stalin in 1936, and he later executed her father in JUL 1938 and her mother died after having been deported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelsina_Markizova
Engelsina Markizova.jpg

What has been proven if Hitler happened to be genuinely fond of that child? He went on to kill most of Europe's Jews despite her 25% Jewish background, it had no influence over him. High-Functiong Autism will allow people to have some level of emotions, but empathy is in short supply so everything is viewed in terms of "Friend or Foe", normal people are not so black and white about life.
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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by wm » 19 Jul 2021 23:24

Markizova was just a single picture printed by millions by the inept and heavy-handed Soviet propaganda apparatus. It signified nothing.
The story of the friendship with that girl is well researched and nobody doubts it so far.
They shared the same birthday, April 20. She called him Uncle Hitler and was known as “the Führer’s child.” At a time when the Nazi leader was being presented to the world as a kindly figure, his personal photographer frequently snapped pictures of the two them holding hands, exchanging kisses on the cheek or just smiling at each other. Hitler refused to cut off contact with the girl even after he was told she had a Jewish grandmother.

According to the auction house, Bernile and her widowed mother traveled from their Munich home in the spring of 1933 to Hitler’s retreat. They were there to celebrate Hitler’s birthday, and Bernile was somehow chosen to meet him, likely because of their identical birthdays. She and “Uncle Hitler” bonded, meeting several times and writing each other letters, up until 1938.

“Research shows that even early on, Hitler became aware of the girl’s Jewish heritage but chose to ignore it,
As his other love:
30 May 1942
[Hitler] has bought himself a young German Shepherd dog called "Blondi" which is the apple of his eye.
It was touching listening to him say that he enjoyed walking with this dog so much, because only with it could he be sure that [his companion] would not start talking about the war or politics. One notices time and time again that the Führer is slowly but surely becoming lonely. It is very touching to see him play with this young German Shepherd dog.
The animal has grown so accustomed to him that it will hardly take a step without him. It is very nice to watch the Führer with his dog. At the moment the dog is the only living thing that is constantly with him. At night it sleeps at the foot of his bed, it is allowed into his sleeping compartment in the special train and enjoys a number of privileges...that no human would ever dare to claim.
He bought the dog from a minor official in the post office in Ingolstadt."
Goebbels' Diary
Hitler owned at least seven dogs: Fuchsl, Prinz, Muckl, Blonda I, Blonda II, Blondi, Bella.


Reinhold Hanisch wasn't murdered by Hitler - he was sentenced for fraud in Vienna in 1936 and died in prison for natural causes.
Earlier, in 1923 he was sentenced for theft, and then for fraud in 1932. That man was a white-collar hardened criminal.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Nikole McMullen » 22 Jul 2021 10:38

I am studying history and writing a paper on the personality of Adolf Hitler. Lots of interesting and useful information in this talk, I will use it to write if you don't mind.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

Post by Volyn » 22 Jul 2021 20:35

wm wrote:
19 Jul 2021 23:24
Markizova was just a single picture printed by millions by the inept and heavy-handed Soviet propaganda apparatus. It signified nothing.
The story of the friendship with that girl is well researched and nobody doubts it so far... Hitler owned at least seven dogs...
As I said before it does not matter if Hitler had geniune feelings for this girl, Autistic people have emotions but they lack empathy and that is something he demonstrated throughout his life. He can be fond of animals and some people, but he intentionally killed millions of others and his dog in the bunker. Serial killers and rapists are also capable of developing close relationships with people, yet they will still murder and rape.
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Reinhold Hanisch wasn't murdered by Hitler - he was sentenced for fraud in Vienna in 1936 and died in prison for natural causes.
Earlier, in 1923 he was sentenced for theft, and then for fraud in 1932. That man was a white-collar hardened criminal.
This is entirely possible, and he still became a Sadist post-WW1, there is no dispute that his personality was siginificantly changed for the worse due to the war.

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Re: Hitler's Autism and Personality Disorders

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Nikole McMullen wrote:
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I am studying history and writing a paper on the personality of Adolf Hitler. Lots of interesting and useful information in this talk, I will use it to write if you don't mind.
Please use this as much as you need to. :welcome:

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