Civil organizations insignia Warsaw 1944 prisoners

[Peter]

Please can anybody confirm the branch of service insignia shown on these clips from footage on YouTube "German surrenders / prisoners during the Warsaw Uprising in Poland" possibly the aftermath of a battle for a civic administration or postal building ? I saw various Security Policemen, possibly some postal workers, German Schutzpolizei and German soldiers in the footage. I'm sure I have seen these written up somewhere but cant find it, the full beard is unusual.
thank you

[Igor Karpov]

It's the Deutsche Post Osten/Postschutz personnel. The last one has the rank of Bezirksführer.

Regards,
Igor

[Peter]

Thank you Igor. I suspected that these enlisted men were Postschutz having noted SS arm eagles from some angles

[Peter]

another man

[Totenkomf]

Please can anybody confirm the branch of service insignia shown on these clips from footage on YouTube "German surrenders / prisoners during the Warsaw Uprising in Poland" possibly the aftermath of a battle for a civic administration or postal building ? I saw various Security Policemen, possibly some postal workers, German Schutzpolizei and German soldiers in the footage. I'm sure I have seen these written up somewhere but cant find it, the full beard is unusual.
thank you

The Officer with a beard is as said an Bezirksführer but I am not sure if the other Officer who is having his head shaved is Postschutz Oberführer?.

Also they all seem middle-aged and not fighters. Seems that the Polish Home Army Fighters were proud to capture
Old men...

As it seems waching the video the Poles went armed into the HQ's of different branches that were not the fighting force and captured them as prisoners. They paraded them throught the bombed streets of Warsaw.

~Mathias.

Link to Postschutz's Ranks:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... lzB01xKf8i

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... rwgjeST7EA

[Peter]

Amongst the men they captured were some who would have been regarded as serious prizes I would have thought, see below

[Peter]

and in addition to the Oberscharführer above was this one who I believe was a Sturmscharführer, beside him I think was a Hauptscharführer but we couldnt get anything of a "screen grab" of him. I am not sure if they were SD or Postschutz

[Totenkomf]

Amongst the men they captured were some who would have been regarded as serious prizes I would have thought, see below

Most likely he is Member of the Sicherheitsdienst or the SD as his right Collar Tab is empty and had no Unit Runes or SS-Runes.

[Peter]

Amongst the men they captured were some who would have been regarded as serious prizes I would have thought, see below

Most likely he is Member of the Sicherheitsdienst or the SD as his right Collar Tab is empty and had no Unit Runed or SS-Runes.

At this stage I am unclear if Postschutz wore a blank patch, several SS departments used a blank patch in addition to SD, the shoulder patches are missing although the Oscharf still has one, I didnt see any SD sleeve raute.

[Totenkomf]

Amongst the men they captured were some who would have been regarded as serious prizes I would have thought, see below

Most likely he is Member of the Sicherheitsdienst or the SD as his right Collar Tab is empty and had no Unit Runed or SS-Runes.

At this stage I am unclear if Postschutz wore a blank patch, several SS departments used a blank patch in addition to SD, the shoulder patches are missing although the Oscharf still has one, I didnt see any SD sleeve raute.

Maybe?. They could be in the Postschutz but wore a mix of SS, SD and Postschutz original insignia.

Altough the SD did not always have their Sleeve Diamonds.


~Mathias.

[Totenkomf]

Amongst the men they captured were some who would have been regarded as serious prizes I would have thought, see below

Most likely he is Member of the Sicherheitsdienst or the SD as his right Collar Tab is empty and had no Unit Runed or SS-Runes.

At this stage I am unclear if Postschutz wore a blank patch, several SS departments used a blank patch in addition to SD, the shoulder patches are missing although the Oscharf still has one, I didnt see any SD sleeve raute.

However it is plausible that they are all Postschutz troops as they were seemingly captured from the same location.

~Mathias.

[Totenkomf]

I am not too sure who these guys are: From their attire Uniforms with scrap insignia, untidy appereance, more tanner skin, unshaved beards and etc. Could these guys be from some Ostlegionen unit who were placed in the Postschutz or Russian or other Eastern-European Volunteers. Your thoughts?..


~Mathias.

[Peter]

They were tidier at the point of capture and I saw shoulder boards being ripped off and then their heads were being shaved

[Totenkomf]

They were tidier at the point of capture and I saw shoulder boards being ripped off and then their heads were being shaved

Yes but their appereance just makes me think both the during capture and after that.

Yes some of them had Postschutz sleeve insignia: a circle with the Reichadler.

~Mathias.

[Totenkomf]

They were tidier at the point of capture and I saw shoulder boards being ripped off and then their heads were being shaved

Peter, what's the deal with the Shoulder Board ripping?. Looting by Poles, or what exactly?.

~Mathias.