Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Re: Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Post by ljadw » 15 Dec 2018, 22:26

Hanny wrote:
14 Dec 2018, 15:27
ljadw wrote:
13 Dec 2018, 20:32

This is not true : they were not fired/resigned because they told Hitler that Germany was not in position to start war in 1938 : only Blomberg and Fritsch were military, the others were civilians, and Beck was not present . Räder, OTOH, was present but not fired .
\BTW : Hitler was not planning to start war in 1938 .
Someone who is talking about German national character is a Shmuck.
Factually correct and has been taught that way for decades to.

Two consecutive heads of the Armed Forces advised against war in 38, next up was Beck and resigned over that issue. The others, Schacht Minister of Economics advised the economy could not support a war at that time and was against agressive war ( note AH used the term aggressive war/s when expalining what he wanted at the meeting) in 38, Neurath objected on political grounds as well as military, stating Germany needed more time to rearm as war in 38 would certainly bring in UK and Empire France.
The meeting was called by Raeder, KM was receiving insufficient allocations of steel and other raw materials and that its entire building programme was thus in danger of collapse, LW and Heer refused to lower the steel allocation and AH was to resolve the dispute.

Neurath and Raeder were convicted at Nurmburg on planning and preparing wars of agression and crimes against peace which included the transcripts of the Nov 37 meeting in respect of invasion in 38 wherin AH stated his intention to start a war, or series of small wars.

Gerhard Weinberg, Andreas Hillgruber and Richard Overy and Evans, are amongst authers works that explain this intpretation. The minority view ( not intentional but ad hoc repsonse) is perhaps best articulated by kershaw.

M Howard, AJP Taylor etc are all shmucks acording to you.

Your current post like most you inflict on readers, is at best uniformed, at worst revisionist, which is why D Irving holds the view your promoting.
2 consecutive heads of the Armed Forces ?? Which ones ? Blomberg was the only one who had the title (without power ) of head of the Armed Forces,in reality ,he was only minister of war, without even having power over the LW .Fritsch did not resign because of what HItler said during the meeting, neither did Beck ,when Fritsch was fired, for the reasons everyone knows, Beck, the so- called resistant, remained at his post .What Hitler said during the meeting was nothing new : everyone who was present, knew them.

Neurath was so anti nazi that a year after he was fired as foreign minister, he accepted the post of governor of Czechia .
Schacht, also a post war resistant, was fired in November 1937, - he was not present at the conference -, not because the Sudeten crisis, but because he objected to a further development of the Wehrmacht, but he remained Director of the National Bank til January 1939, after the Sudeten crisis, thus he had no objections to Hitler's foreign policy .
BTW : I agree with Taylor who debunks the importance of the meeting of November 1937 .

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Re: Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Post by ljadw » 15 Dec 2018, 22:47

There is no proof at all that anyone who was present at the conference objected to what Hitler said : there was NO such thing as the Hossbach memorandum .


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Re: Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Post by Hanny » 16 Dec 2018, 13:52

Boogles at the level of incompetence presented. Im done with you.
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Re: Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Post by ljadw » 16 Dec 2018, 22:23

I am citing Taylor : is he incompetent following you ?

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Re: Are there any estimates for how popular the Anschluss was in Austria

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Dec 2018, 18:49

Hi ljadw,

You posted, "1 I know what Keegan said and I disagree with him." OK, so why do you disagree with him?

You wrote, "2 Someone,= Shirer, who wrote : Hitler's ascension to power was an expression of German national character, is a charlatan." I have my Shirer to hand. Where, exactly, did he write this?

You posted, "There is NO such thing as a German national character, or a French, Italian, Russian ,etc .." Perhaps not over extended periods of time, but they have different cultures at different times that evolve, sometimes in opposite directions. At the battle of Rossbach in 1757 the Prussians seemed to be the personification of military virtue and the French of military decadence. Yet in 1806 at Auerstadt the exact opposite attributes may be attributed to the Prussians and French. There is national character at any given moment, but it is changeable, not permanent.

You post, "The planning of a coup in 1938 was only a myth, created after the war, by the defeated German generals, to blame France and Britain for WWII and thus the holocaust." Nope. The specific units, plans and individuals are known. They are mentioned elsewhere on AHF.

You write, "After the war, the German generals lied again about September 1939, saying that the French could have easily defeated the Germans at the Western border and could have been in Berlin before Hitler was in Warsaw, a lie parotted even today on a lot of forums." Really? Sources, please.

You write, "Also to saddle the Allies up with the responsibility for Auschwitz." Really, how would that work? Auschwitz wasn't even in German hands for another year!

You posted, "If there was a coup prepared in 1938 if there was a war about the Sudeten, why was there no coup in 1939 when there was a war against Poland?" Probably because the Allies had caved in at Munich and had then allowed Germany to take Bohemia-Moravia without resistance, thereby implying their impotence and lack of will and confirming Hitler's good judgement and willpower. In other words, Hitler's reputation for good judgement was much better in 1939 than in 1938, making unseating him a more questionable proposition. On top of this, the strategic balance had shifted further Germany's way because in Czechoslovakia it had acquired 34 divisions-worth of weaponry and one of the largest armaments industries in Europe

You post: "Shirer wrote : Germany was not in a position to go to war against CZ, Britain OR France . NOT : AND France." Where? I have my Shirer to hand.

You ask, "if Germany was not in a position to go to war against CZ, why did Benes accept Hitler's demands?" Simple.
Because the British and French had let him down and Czechoslovakia with its mixed, and not entirely reliable, population of about 13 million Czechs, Germans, Slovaks, Ruthenes and Hungarians would have had to face 70 million Germans alone.

Cheers,

Sid.

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