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The Korsun Slaughter

Post by Roberto » 02 Oct 2002 10:14

THE KORSUN SLAUGHTER
( USSR February 16/17, 1944 )
During a violent blizzard on the night of Feb.16, five divisions of General Hube's 8th Army, including the 5th SS Division 'Viking' and the Belgian Volunteer Brigade ' Wallonie ', made a last desperate bid to break out of the Russian encirclement around the towns of Korsun and Shandrerovka in the lower Dnieper west of Kiev. At 4am, forming up in two columns of around 14,000 each, they flocked into two parallel ravines in the surrounding countryside, and where the two ravines met, the troops then emerged into open country and headed out towards Lysyanka. There, disaster struck as the Soviet troops, under General Konev, were waiting. Soon after 6am, the slaughter began. Soviet tanks drove into the German columns crushing hundreds under their tracks. Fleeing in panic, the troops were then confronted by units of Cossack cavalry who started hacking them to pieces with their sabres, hands were lopped off of those who approached with their arms raised in surrender. There was no time to take prisoners and the carnage continued till it was all over. In the short space of three hours, over 20,000 German soldiers lay dead. Another 8,000, who had fled the scene, were rounded up during the next few days and taken prisoner.


Source of quote:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html

The above is obviously based on an account that a Soviet officer, Major Kampov, gave to British journalist Alexander Werth.

Kempov's full account can be read in Werth's book Russia's War 1941-1945.

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Werth reckoned that Kampov may have been "romancing" a bit, especially in his descriptions of the Cossack cavalry cutting down the German troops.

This reasoning is corroborated by the fact that the cavalry massacre described by Kampov is not mentioned in any German source about the battle of Korsun, at least not any that I have come across.

Does anyone know of an account of the massacre as described by Kampov in a German source?

Does anyone know of such an account by a Soviet source other than Major Kampov?
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Post by Fredrik » 02 Oct 2002 13:46

The article you presents gives the impression that all Axis forces were slaughtered. AFAIK a large chunk of the German forces actually managed to break through the Soviet lines and reach the German one, sans their heavy equipment.

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Post by Roberto » 02 Oct 2002 14:34

Fredrik wrote:The article you presents gives the impression that all Axis forces were slaughtered. AFAIK a large chunk of the German forces actually managed to break through the Soviet lines and reach the German one, sans their heavy equipment.

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That's what becomes apparent from German accounts of the Korsun battle, as I said.

These accounts also contain nothing about a large-scale slaughter of fleeing German troops by Cossack cavalry.

Hence my questions.

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Post by Fredrik » 02 Oct 2002 15:31

Sorry for misinterpreting your original post, no pun intended.

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Post by Roberto » 02 Oct 2002 16:04

Fredrik wrote:Sorry for misinterpreting your original post, no pun intended.

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Never mind.

Here's a German account of the breakout from the Korsun-Cherkassy pocket:
Despite persistent enemy attacks against the pocket perimeter, constant Russian shelling of Komarovka, Khilki, and Shenderovka, churned up roads, and numerous traffic bottlenecks, the German forces inside the pocket were able, by 2000 on 16 February, to report their readiness for the breakout. Determination was the prevailing mood. Apparently the large majority of the troops was not influenced by Russian propaganda, nor by the hundreds of leaflets dropped from Russian planes on behalf of the Free Germany Committee (General von Seydlitz)—they wanted to fight their way through.

Shortly after 2000, the commander of XLII Corps appeared at the command post of the 105th Grenadier Regiment which was to spearhead the attack of 72d Division. He was on horseback, accompanied by members of his staff, several aides, and radio operators with their equipment. The events that followed are illustrated by a personal account of the corps commander, written from memory at a later date, and presented here in his own words:

By 2300 the regiment—two battalions abreast—started moving ahead, silently and with bayonets fixed. One-half hour later the force broke through the first and soon thereafter the second Russian defense line. The enemy was completely caught by surprise. Prisoners were taken along. Not until the following day did it become evident that the Russians, under the protection of heavy snowfall, had pulled out most of their troops from the south front of the pocket in order to use them in an attack, on 17 February, from the area west of Steblev.

The advance toward the southwest continued. No reports from either Task Force B on the right or the 5th SS Panzer Division on the left. That they were making some progress could only be inferred from the noise of vehicles due north and south of us, and from the sounds of firing that indicated the location of their leading elements. Over roadless, broken terrain traversed by numerous gullies, our march proceeded slowly. There were frequent halts. Here and there, men and horses suddenly disappeared, having stumbled into holes filled with deep snow. Vehicles had to be dug out laboriously. The slopes were steeper than could be presumed from looking at the map. Gradually the firing decreased until it broke off entirely by 0200. About two hours later the leading elements
of 72d Division were approximately abreast of Dzhurzhentsy. Still no reports from Wiking and Task Force B. I could not give them my position by radio because by now my headquarters signal unit was missing and could not be located.

Shortly after 0400 enemy tanks ahead opened fire. They were joined by Russian artillery and mortars operating from the direction of Dzhurzhentsy, at first without noticeable effect. The firing increased slowly but steadily, and was soon coming from the south as well. We began to suffer casualties. The advance, however, continued. By about 0600 the leading units reached a large hollow southeast of Dzhurzhentsy. Enemy fire, getting constantly heavier, was now coming from three directions. Elements of Wiking could be heard on the left, farther back. No message, and not a trace of Task Force B. Day was dawning. The difficult ascent out of the hollow began. The climb was steep and led up an icy slope. Tanks, guns, heavy horse-drawn vehicles, and trucks of all kinds slipped, turned over, and had to be blown up. Only a few tanks and artillery pieces were able to make the grade. The units lapsed rapidly into disorder. Parts of the Wiking Division appeared on the left.

Between 0700 and 1000 the 72d Division made several attempts to mount a co-ordinated attack toward southwest. It did not succeed. The few guns and most of the tanks that were still firing were soon destroyed by the enemy. Armored cars and motor vehicles suffered the same fate. Except for a few tanks that had managed to keep up, there were now only soldiers on foot and on horseback, and here and there a few horse-drawn vehicles, mostly carrying wounded.

In the protection of a ravine I was able to collect a small force of about battalion size, mainly stragglers from Task Force B and the Wiking Division. With them I moved on toward the line Hill 239-Pochapintsy, which was visible from time to time despite the heavy snowfall, and from where the enemy was firing with great intensity. Russian ground support planes appeared, opened fire, and disappeared again. They were ineffective, and did not repeat their attack, probably because of the difficult weather conditions.

There was no longer any effective control; there were no regiments, no battalions. Now and then small units appeared alongside us. I learned that the commanding general of the 72d Division was among the missing. My corps staff still kept up with me, but the aides who had been sent on various missions did not find their way back. On the steep slope northwest of Pochapintsy, defiladed from enemy fire, I found the G-3 of the 72d Division. He reported that infantry units of his division had penetrated the enemy line along the ridge south of Hill 239. Nevertheless, enemy fire was still coming from there, maintained principally by about ten Russian tanks.

Behind and alongside me thousands of men were struggling south-
west. The entire area was littered with dead horses, and with vehicles and guns that had either been knocked out by the enemy or simply abandoned by their crews. I could not distinguish the wounded; their bandages did not show, as we were all wearing white camouflage clothing. Despite the general confusion and complete lack of control one could still recognize the determination in the minds of the troops to break through toward the southwest, in the direction of III Panzer Corps.

During a lull in the firing I readied my battalion for the attack across the line Hill 239—Pochapintsy which unfortunately could not be bypassed. My staff and I were still on horseback. After leaving the draw that sheltered us against the enemy, we galloped ahead of the infantry and through the gaps between our few remaining tanks, The enemy tank commanders, observing from their turrets, quickly recognized our intention, turned their weapons in our direction, and opened fire. About one-half of our small mounted group was able to get through. The chief of staff and the G-3 were thrown, but later found their way back to us. The greater part of the infantry battalion was still following behind me. While riding through the enemy sector, I noticed a few German soldiers surrendering, but the main body was pushing southwest without letup. Soviet tanks were now firing at us from the rear and quite a few men were still being hit. From the eastern edge of the forest south of Hill 239 came intensive enemy fire. I led my battalion in an attack in that direction and threw the Russians back into the woods. Rather than pursue them into the depth of the forest, we continued advancing southwest, still harassed by fire from Russian tanks.

Gradually, between 1300 and 1500, large, disorganized masses of troops piled up along the Gniloy Tikich River, east of Lisyanka. Units from all three divisions participating in the breakout were hopelessly intermingled. A few medium tanks had been able to get through to the river bank, hut there were no heavy weapons and artillery pieces left. The river, below and above Lisyanka, was 30 to 50 feet wide, had a rapid current, and reached a depth of about 10 feet in most places. The banks were steep and rocky, with occasional shrubs and trees. Several tanks attempted to drive across, but the river was too deep and they failed to reach the opposite bank.

Heavy fire from Russian tanks located southeast of Oktyabr set the congested masses into forward motion. Many thousands flung themselves into the river, swam across, reached the opposite shore, and struggled on in the direction of Lisyanka. Hundreds of men and horses drowned in the icy torrent. An attempt by a small group of officers to create an emergency crossing for casualties succeeded only after several hours.

Toward 1600 the enemy fire ceased. I crossed the Gniloy Tikich swimming alongside my horse, traversed the snowy slope southeast of Lisyanka which was covered with moving men, and finally reached the town. There I found the commander of the 1st Panzer Division, the forward element of III Panzer Corps. I learned that no more than one company of armored infantry and three companies of tanks of 1st Panzer Division were now at Lisyanka, while one armored infantry battalion consisting of two weak companies was established at Oktyabr, the village immediately north of Lisyanka.

A reinforced regiment of Task Force B had made its way into Lisyanka, and I received the report that the commander of Task Force B had been killed in action. Next, the chief of staff of XI Corps appeared; he had lost contact with General Stemmermann in the morning of 17 February, while marching on foot from Khilki to Dzhurzhentsy. He reported that the rear guard of the pocket force was in the process of withdrawal and that some of its units would soon appear.

I assumed command of what was left of Force Stemmermann. By now the situation was the following: The 72d and Wiking Divisions were completely intermingled. No longer did they have any tanks, artillery, vehicles, or rations. Many soldiers were entirely without weapons, quite a few even without footgear. Neither division could be considered in any way able to fight. One regiment of Task Force B was intact and still had some artillery support. However, this regiment also had no vehicles and no rations left. All wounded, estimated at about 2,000, were being gradually sheltered in the houses of Lisyanka, and later were evacuated by air.

For lack of vehicles and fuel, III Panzer Corps was unable to reinforce its units in the area of Lisyanka and Oktyabr. The corps commander, with whom I conferred by telephone, informed me that he had been forced to assume the defensive against heavy Russian attacks from the northwest in the area immediately west of Lisyanka. He had no extra supplies of any kind, and his forward elements were unable to provide rations for the troops emerging from the pocket. Thus I had to order the pocket force in its miserable condition to move on westward, while I requested supply, evacuation of casualties by air, and the bringing up of vehicles and weapons from the rear.

The march toward the main rescue area continued throughout the night, despite frequent bottlenecks, and was not completed until noon of 18 February. Renewed Russian flank attacks from the north endangered the roads to the rear and necessitated further withdrawal southwest and south during the following day. In the afternoon of 20 February, having clarified the question of food supply for the pocket force and dealt with a number of other problems, I was instructed to proceed to headquarters of Army High Command in East Prussia. From that moment on I had no further connection with XLII Corps or Force Stemmermann.

Of the 35,000 men launching the breakout from the pocket about 30,000 successfully fought their way out. 5,000 were killed or captured. The force lost all of its heavy weapons, artillery, tanks, vehicles, horses, equipment, and supplies.
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http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/WWII/20234/20-2344.htm

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Post by Richard Murphy » 02 Oct 2002 22:27

The only "German" source I have is Paul Carell's Scorched Earth, which goes into quiet a lot of detail (Though Werth is listed in the sources.).
He says that;
The daily report of Eighth Army for the evening of 11th February gives the ration strength of the two encircled corps including Russian volunteers as 56,000 men. Out of that total 2188 wounded were flown out. Nearly 35,000 men, according to the records of the chiefs of staff of the encircled corps, reached the German front and were there recorded as safely arrived at the reception points. The war diaries of the divisions and regiments involved moreover confirm these data. Their average losses were between 20 and 30 per cent. Hence the casualty balance-sheet of Cherkassy was 18,800.
BTW, The only horsemen Carell mentions are German!

Doug Nash, who recently published a book on the battle (Hells Gate), is probably the best guy to ask for up-to-date infomation (I seem to recall Carell's figure of 56,000 being disputed before.).

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Post by Dan » 03 Oct 2002 02:30

Thanks for that nice account, Roberto.

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Post by Roberto » 03 Oct 2002 12:41

Dan wrote:Thanks for that nice account, Roberto.
I'm glad you appreciate it.

For what it's worth, here is Major Kampov's account featured in Alexander Werth's Russia at War 1941-1945:
It was at Rotmistrovka that I first met Major Kampov. He looked pale and physically – though not mentally – tired; his uniform was grubby, and the mud was splashed right up to his army boots. For three years he had been at it; in the grim autumn of 1941 he had broken out of an encirclement in the Kalinin Province after losing most of his men; he had taken part under Konev in the heartbreaking Rzhev offensive in 1942; but now he had eight months of continuous victories behind him. He was slim, dark, and had grey laughing eyes with a quietly humorous expression. Maxim Gorki, in his youth, must have looked a little like him (except that one of his eyes was half closed as a result of shell-shock).
“You couldn’t have come at a better moment,” he said, “do you know what happened today? Our troops have already crossed the Bug.” This was great news. The Bug, on the way to Odessa and Rumania, was said to be one of the most heavily fortified German lines. (In practice, as I later learned, it was nothing of the kind, since before reaching the Bug the Germans had lost all their heavy equipment).
The “Mud Offensive” was in full swing. It was one of the most extraordinary things that had happened; it was contrary to all rules of warfare. Barely three weeks after the liquidation of the Germans trapped at Korsun, Konev had struck out at a time when the Germans had least expected it. So deep and impassable was the Ukrainian mud.
During that week in the Ukraine I was to hear – and indeed see – a great deal of the “Little Stalingrad” of Korsun. Since then I have read both Russian and German accounts of the operation, and whereas, by and large, the Russian and German versions of what happened at Stalingrad coincide, there are some major differences in the two versions of Korsun.
According to the official Russian History, the German troops still in the bag after a fortnight’s heavy fighting, and after the failure of the Germans to break through from the outside, made a final bid to break out of the encirclement on the night of February 16-17. Despite a violent blizzard, they were heavily attacked, first by artillery and mortar fire and by “light bomber planes”, and then by machine-gun fire, and Russian tanks and cavalry.

Only a small group of enemy tanks and armoured cars, carrying the generals and senior officers, succeeded, thanks to the blizzard, in breaking out of the encirclement in the Lisyanka area, leaving their troops to their fate. Before that, they had succeeded in evacuating 2,000 to 3,000 officers and soldiers by air. The whole operation ended in the liquidation of ten enemy divisions and one brigade. 55,000 Nazi officers and soldiers were killed or wounded, and 18,000 taken prisoner. The enemy also lost all his equipment, all of which had a highly demoralising effect on other units of the German Army in the Ukraine.

German writers, on the other hand, have tried to minimise the disaster. According to Manstein, only six divisions and one brigade were encircled, totalling 54,000 men – a figure which the Russians challenge on the strength of German army documents captured at the time. Other German historians, such as Philippi and Heim, while (as usual) putting the whole blame on Hitler for trying to hang on to the “utterly useless” Korsun salient at all, claim that when the 50,000 encircled troops still left there attempted their desperate breakthrough on February 17, 30,000 got out, and some 20,000 “were lost”, besides the entire equipment of all the divisions that had been encircled.
What is certain is that the breakthrough of February 17 – unsuccessful according to the Russians, partially successful according to the Germans – was very costly for the Germans.
In view of the conflicting post-war versions, it may be interesting to quote Major Kampov’s very dramatic eye-witness account given to me at the time.

After describing how the Vatutin and Konev troops had formed their ring round the salient on February 3, Kampov said:
“Having broken through with our tanks and mobile infantry, we now had to face both ways in the ‘ring’ – and, for a time, this was very hard. We were shelled from both sides, and we had to attack unceasingly to widen our ‘ring’ – which, at first, was only some two miles wide. Of course, we suffered very heavy losses. Even so, after six days, we had managed to widen the ring to nearly twenty miles at its narrowest point.
“At the beginning of the encirclement the area of the ‘bag’ was almost 240 square miles, and for a long time we had to fight not only the troops inside, but also those outside – and these amounted to no fewer than eight Panzer divisions [footnote: Seven, according to Philippi and Heim]. They were under the command of General Hube. Inside the ring there were ten divisions, including a tank division, plus the Belgian SS Wallonia Brigade. Degrelle, the Belgian top Nazi, was among them but, along with several German generals, he escaped by plane. Pity; it would have been interesting to ‘interview’ him. The Belgian SS were all underworld thugs and adventurers of the worst kind.
“We had very strong forces in our ‘ring’ and Hube’s troops didn’t make much progress. As for the ‘bag’, our policy was to slice it into bits, and deal with each bit separately. In this way we wiped out village after village in which the Germans had entrenched themselves – it was bloody murder. I’m afraid some of our own villagers perished, too, in the process: that’s one of the cruellest aspects of this kind of war.
“Anyway, four or five days before the end, the Germans had only an area of about six miles by seven and a half, with Korsun and Shanderovka as its main points. By this time the whole German ‘ring’ was under shell-fire, but they still held out, because they were waiting for the miracle to happen – the miracle of Hube’s breakthrough from outside. But all these German high hopes rapidly began to fade out. And then Korsun fell, and a tiny area around Shanderovka was all that was left.
“I remember the last fateful night of the 17th of February. A terrible blizzard was blowing. Konev himself was travelling in a tank through the shell-battered ‘corridor’. I rode on horseback from one point in the corridor to another, with a dispatch from the General; it was so dark that I could not see the horse’s ears. I mention this darkness and this blizzard because they are an important factor in what happened …
“It was during that night, or the evening before, that the encircled Germans, having abandoned all hope of ever being rescued by Hube, decided to make a last desperate effort to break out.
Shanderovka is a large Ukrainian village of about 500 houses, and here Stemmermann’s troops – he was the last general left in the ‘bag’, the others having fled – decided to spend their last night and to have a good night’s rest. Konev learned about those plans, and was determined to prevent them at any price from having a rest, and effecting an organised escape – or any kind of escape – the next morning. ‘I know this is a hell of a night, with this blizzard blowing, but we must get night bombers to deal with the situation,’ he said. He was told that, in weather like this, it was practically impossible to do anything with bombers, especially with so small a target as Shanderovka. But Konev said: ‘This is important, and I cannot accept these objections as final. I do not want to give any orders to the airmen, but get hold of a Komsomol air unit, and say I want volunteers for the job’. We got a unit composed mostly of Komsomols; all without exception volunteered. And this is how it was done. The U-2 played an immensely important part in this. Visibility was so bad that nothing but a slow low-flying plane like the U-2 could have achieved anything at first. The U-2s located Shanderovka in spite of the blizzard and the darkness. Not for a moment did the Germans expect them. They flew down the whole length of Shanderovka and dropped incendiaries. Many fires were started. The target was now clearly visible. Very soon afterwards – it was just after 2 a.m. – the bombers came over and the place was bombed and blasted for the next hour. Our artillery, which was only three miles away now, also concentrated its fire on Shanderovka. What made it particularly pleasant for us was our knowledge that the Germans had chased every inhabitant out of Shanderovka into the steppe. They had wanted the place all to themselves for their sound night’s rest. All the bombing and shelling compelled the Germans to abandon their warm huts, and to clear out.
“All that evening the Germans had been in a kind of hysterical condition. The few remaining cows in the village were slaughtered and eaten with a sort of cannibal frenzy. When a barrel of pickled cabbage was discovered in the hut, it led to wild scrambles. Altogether they had been very short of food ever since the encirclement; with the German army in constant retreat, they didn’t have large stores anywhere near the front line. So these troops at Korsun had been living mostly by looting the local population; they had done so even before the encirclement.
“They also had a lot to drink that night, but the fires started by the U-2s, and then the bombing and shelling sobered them up. Driven out of their warm huts they had to abandon Shanderovka. They flocked into the ravines near the village, and then took the desperate decision to break through early in the morning. They had almost no tanks left – they had all been lost or abandoned during the previous days’ fighting, and what few tanks they still had had no petrol. In the last few days the area were they were concentrated was so small that transport planes could no longer bring them anything. Even before, few of the transport planes reached them; and sometimes the cargoes of food and petrol and munitions were dropped on our lines.
“So that morning they formed themselves into two marching columns of about 14,000 each, and they marched in this way into Lysianka where the two ravines met. The German division on the other side were trying to batter their way eastward, but now the ‘corridor’ was so wide that they hadn’t much chance.
“They were a strange sight, these two German columns that tried to break out of the encirclement. Each of them was like an enormous mob. The spearhead and the flanks were formed by the SS men of the Wallonia Brigade and the Viking Division in their pearl-grey uniforms. They were in a relatively good state of physique. Then, inside the triangle marched the rabble of the ordinary German infantry, very much more down-at-heel. Right in the middle of this, a small select nucleus was formed by the officers. These also looked relatively well fed. So they moved westward along two parallel ravines. They had started out after 4 a.m., when it was still completely dark. We knew the direction from which they were coming. We had prepared five lines – two lines of infantry, then a line or artillery, and then two more lines where the tanks and cavalry lay in wait … We let them pass through the first three line without firing a shot. The Germans, believing that they had dodged us and had now broken through all our defences, burst into frantic jubilation, screaming, firing their pistols and tommy-guns into the air as they marched on. The had now emerged from the ravines and reached open country.
“Then it happened. It was about six o’clock in the morning. Our tanks and our cavalry suddenly appeared and rushed straight into the thick of the two columns. What happened then is hard to describe. The Germans ran in all directions. And for the next four hours our tanks raced up and down the plain crushing them by the hundreds. Our cavalry, competing with the tanks, chased them through the ravines where it was hard for the tanks to pursue them. Most of the time the tanks were not using their guns lest they hit their own cavalry. Hundreds and hundreds of cavalry were hacking at them with their sabres, and massacred the Fritzes as no one had ever been massacred by cavalry before. There was no time to take prisoners. It was a carnage that nothing could stop till it was all over. In a small area over 20,000 Germans were killed. I had been in Stalingrad; but never had I seen such concentrated slaughter as in the fields and ravines of that small bit of country. By 9 a.m. it was all over. 8,000 prisoners surrendered that day and during the next few days. Nearly all of them had run a long distance away from the main scene of the slaughter; they had been hiding in the woods and ravines.
“Three days later at Djurzhantsy we found the body of General Stemmermann. Soon afterwards General Konev had a good laugh when the German radio announced, with all sort of details, how Hitler had personally handed him a high decoration. For General Stemmermann was dead, right enough. I saw his body as it lay there. Our people had laid him out on a rough wooden table in a barn. There he lay, complete with his orders and medals. He was a little old man, with grey hair; he must have been a Corpsstudent in his young days, judging from the big sabre scar on one cheek. For a moment we wondered whether it wasn’t all a fake; perhaps an ordinary soldier had been dressed up in a general’s uniform. But all Stemmermann’s papers were found on the body. They might have faked all the obvious papers, but they could scarcely have had the idea of forging a Black Forest gun licence, complete with the man’s picture, and issued in 1939 … We buried him decently. We can afford to bury a general decently. The rest we dumped in holes in the ground; if we started making individual graves – we don’t even do that for our own people – we would have needed an army of grave-diggers at Korsun … And there was no time to waste. The general is very particular about corpses – they must be cleared away in two days in summer, in three days in winter … But dead generals aren’t all that frequent, so we could give him a proper burial. Anyway, he was the only general there with any guts. All the rest of them had beat it by plane.
“Had he committed suicide?” I asked.
“No, a shell splinter got him in the back – but many of the SS men committed suicide, though hardly any of the others.
“Altogether, the Germans lost over 70,000 of their best troops in their attempt to hold the Korsun salient, 55,000 dead and 18,000 prisoners.”
“What had they done with their wounded? Is it true that they killed them off?
“Yes. And that no doubt contributed to the hysteria that marked their last night at Shanderovka. The order to kill the wounded was strictly carried out. They not only shot hundreds of them – shot them as they usually shoot Russians and Jews, through the back of the head, but in many cases they set fire to the ambulance vans, with the dead inside. One of the oddest sights were the charred skeletons in those burned-out vans with wide bracelets of plaster-of-Paris round their arms or legs. For plaster-of-Paris doesn’t burn …
“The Korsun debacle prepared the ground for our present spring offensive. It was psychologically immensely important. To some extent the Germans had forgotten Stalingrad; at any rate, the effect of Stalingrad had partly worn off. It was important to remind them. It’s going to heighten enormously their fear of encirclement in the future.”

I find it hard to say whether Kampov’s figures are any more correct than post-war Russian or German figures; and whether it is true, as appears from his account, that no Germans broke out at all; probably some did – particularly the generals. Or perhaps they left by air a few days before. But, unlike the dull “technical” tone of most of the post-war military literature, Kampov’s account – even allowing for a little romancing, especially about the cavalry – seems to give a striking and truthful picture of both the hysterical and desperate mood of the hardened Nazi troops as they found themselves trapped, and of a real ruthlessness – “no time to take prisoners” – among the Russian troops at the end of a fortnight’s extremely costly fighting against both sides of the “ring”.


Source of quote: Alexander Werth, Russia at War 1941-1945, 2nd edition Carrol & Graf, New York, 2000, pages 775-783

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Post by Ebusitanus » 09 Oct 2002 18:41

I always thought that the Korsun disaster was diferent to the Cherkassy escape. The Wallonie did his escape in the later and did not take part in the Korsun one.

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Post by Roberto » 09 Oct 2002 19:20

Ebusitanus wrote:I always thought that the Korsun disaster was diferent to the Cherkassy escape. The Wallonie did his escape in the later and did not take part in the Korsun one.
It was one and the same thing. Sometimes it's referred to as the Cherkassy pocket, sometimes (more accurately) as the Korsun pocket.
Both locations can be seen on maps of the battle:

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/WWII/20234/map4.JPG

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/WWII/20234/map5.JPG

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/WWII/20234/map6.JPG

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/WWII/20234/map7.JPG

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Post by Tapani K. » 10 Oct 2002 07:44

Roberto wrote:It was one and the same thing. Sometimes it's referred to as the Cherkassy pocket, sometimes (more accurately) as the Korsun pocket.
I am not 100 percent sure but I have been under the impression that the Germans called it Cherkassy ( actually Tscherkassy) pocket and the Russians named it after Korsun. After the war the naming seems to vary according to the sources used. The English-speaking world seems to have adopted the Soviet naming tradition here.

regards,
Tapani K.

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Re: The Korsun Slaughter

Post by Keltic11 » 17 Sep 2023 09:33

However, they were not totally killed! Degrelle and his Wallons kept the pocket open long enough for MOST of the men to escape! The did however have to 99% of the heavy equipment behind .

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