Die Saar ist deutsch!

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Helly Angel » 06 Jun 2010 17:32

Dieter THANKS!!!!!! Thanks for share! Can you scan the back side of the party membership please?

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jun 2010 17:43

Lieber Helly,

unfortunately there is nothing to be seen. As a compensation for you therefore the back side of the "Deutsche Front"

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Vikki » 07 Jun 2010 16:06

I agree with Helly Angel, beautiful items, Dieter! Thanks for sharing them, especially the ones from your own family's papers!

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 08 Jun 2010 11:35

Hello Dieter,

Do you also have an example of the Saarland Plebiscite ballot paper?

Thanks,

Sandy.

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Dieter Zinke » 08 Jun 2010 13:35

Sandy K. wrote:Hello Dieter,

Do you also have an example of the Saarland Plebiscite ballot paper?

Thanks,

Sandy.
Yes, I have it as a contemporary souvenir vitrified and framed. A rare "heirloom" collected by my father.


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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Helly Angel » 08 Jun 2010 17:38

THANKS again friend!!!! great collection of documents!!!!

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 09 Jun 2010 12:37

Hello Dieter,

How is it set out?

The later Austrian and Sudetenland Plebiscite papers I have seen were prepared by the Nazis and have a large central circle for a Yes vote and a small circle on the lower right for a No vote. They clearly lead the voter to favour Yes.

The Nazis used the Saarland Plebiscite as the precedent for the later Austrian and Sudetenland Plebiscites, so I was wondering how its ballot paper was set out. I would guess that because it was prepared by the League of Nations it is more neutral than the later Nazi-prepared Austrian and Sudetenland ballot papers.

I have also read that the text of the plebiscite prepared by Schusschnigg's Austrian Government in 1938 also heavily led the voter. Do you know how the ballot paper for this was set out?

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Peter H » 21 Jun 2010 05:58

From ebay,seller dixie_auctions

British troops in Saarbrücken 1935
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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Jul 2010 12:09

Hello Dieter,

Have you had a chance to check how the Saarland plebiscite ballot paper is layed out, compared to the Austrian and Sudetenland Plebiscites?

Also, do you know if the constitutional plebiscite Hitler held had the same lay out as the Austrian and Sudetenland plebiscites, with a large central circle for "Yes" and a small circle in the lower right for "No"?

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Sep 2010 14:13

Hello Dieter,

Have you made any progress on the above questions regarding the Saar ballot paper?

Any information you can give would be gratefully received.

Thanks.

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by |AXiN| » 28 Sep 2010 12:36

Sandy, isn't this it?

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From one of Dieter's previous posts.

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 28 Sep 2010 13:10

AXiN - Many thanks.

It certainly looks like it. Although it doesn't mention the territory by name, I can't think of any other League of Nations plebiscite likely to involve Germany and France. (One wonders when the ribbon in German colours was added? Presumably after the event.)

It is very different from the ballot papers the Nazis later used in the Austrian and Sudetenland Plebiscites:

http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic ... llot+paper

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by |AXiN| » 28 Sep 2010 15:14

Yes, those are quite entertainingly biased. I have to wonder, looking at the Saarland form, if anyone seriously thought that union with France was a viable and popular option? What sort of percentage voted that way?

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Sid Guttridge » 29 Sep 2010 12:54

I doubt anyone seriously thought that the Saarländer(s) would vote for union with France.

However, the timing and options of the plebiscite were preordained by the post-WWI peace deals.

Some 91% voted for Anschluss with Germany, 9% voted for the status quo and under half a percent took the French option.

The French probably hoped that a status quo vote might give them more time to work their charms on the Saarländers, but they cannot have expected to win the 1935 plebiscite.

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Re: Die Saar ist deutsch!

Post by Adam Carr » 12 Oct 2010 04:21

The real issue was not union with France, which no-one supported, it was maintaining the status quo, which the SPD and the KPD campaigned for, since the Saar was the only bit of Germany where they could still operate. They were shocked that such a heavily working class area voted so enthusiastically for union with Germany, when the voters knew that it would mean the destruction of their unions and the parties most of them voted for. This marked the end of the SPD's illusions about the German workers, as was shown by the very different party they became after 1949.

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