German WW2 war dead memorials

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 13 Feb 2009 21:37

This is one of the war memorials in München-Milbertshofen.
It is located in the catholic church St. Georg.
It's dedicated to the dead soldiers of 1914/1919 (sic!) and 1939/1945.

The photos were taken on November 2nd 2007.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 14 Feb 2009 11:01

Part I
The old St. Georgs Church is situated not far away from the "new" St. Georgs Church in München-Milbertshofen.
There is an impressive war memorial close to the alte St. Georgs Church.
It contains monuments for the dead soldiers of 1914/1918 and of 1939/1945.
There is even a little stone which marks consecrated soil from Monte Cassino (May 15th 1960)!

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 14 Feb 2009 11:03

Part II
Alte St. Georgs Kirche München/Milbertshofen.
There is a bunker nearby.
The photos were taken on November 2nd 2007.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by friend_of_Obersalzberg » 14 Feb 2009 19:16

Grassi,

thank you for this photos.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by Adam Carr » 15 Feb 2009 02:36

It's dedicated to the dead soldiers of 1914/1919 (sic!) and 1939/1945.
1919 was when the war officially ended with the signing of the peace treaty.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 15 Feb 2009 12:28

Thanks, Adam and friend.

The 1919 peace treaty is a good point.
I saw the 1914/1919 version in some places for example in Germany and France.
For 1945 we must assume another logic, because the WW II peace treaty wasn't signed (the 2+4 treaty in 1990 is a little bit different).

Here is the war memorial in München-Pasing.
It is dedicated to the dead soldiers of 1914/1918 and 1939/1945.
Due to its style the statue seems to be from the 1920ies oder 1930ies.
The plaque is from 1953.

The photos were made on December 19th 2007.

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EDIT: Maybe the "1919" also refers to dead soldiers of freikorps activities etc. in 1919?
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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 21 Feb 2009 23:11

The war memorial in Bruck near Grafing bei München.
It is dedicated to the deads of WW I and WW II.
The memorial is situated in the local church.

The photos were taken on February 9th 2008.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 21 Feb 2009 23:22

This is the war memorial of Salzberg (Berchtesgaden).
It is dedicated to the dead soldiers of 1914/1918.
It's not far away from the big war memorial in Berchtesgaden.

Given that I am not totally wrong it shows the Imperial (black eagle, golden background) and the Bavarian coat of arms.
This is quite rare:
Since the empire has already disappeared, war memorials for 1914/1918 usually do not refer to the Kaiser or the Imperial state (at least I do not know many which do).

The photos were taken on March 24th 2008.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 21 Feb 2009 23:45

This is the war memorial in Germering-Unterpfaffenhofen near Munich.
It is dedicated to the dead of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945.
It was erected in 1921 by friends and comrades.
One can clearly see the elements attached for WWII.

The photos were taken on July 7th 2008.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by Adam Carr » 22 Feb 2009 00:52

[Maybe the "1919" also refers to dead soldiers of freikorps activities etc. in 1919?]

No, because I have seen similar datings in other countries. The war between the Allied powers and Germany officially ended only with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919. Until that time the Allied forces remained ready to resume the offensive if Germany refused to sign. The naval blockade of Germany also continued until this date.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 22 Feb 2009 03:25

Well, since I do not have proof at all I’ll follow your argumentation.
A quick net search brought only two German war memorials for WWI which mention Freikorps members:
Rehburg-Loccum (Münchehagen)
http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/dkm_deuts ... um,_ns.htm
and Schacht-Audorf
http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/dkm_deuts ... 1u2_sh.htm

I’ll check some literature… and would be happy to find a good example why community x chose to dedicate the war memorial to 1914-1919 and community y (and obviously most others) chose 1914-1918. :)

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by Adam Carr » 22 Feb 2009 03:32

Presumably because the actual fighting ended on 11 November 1918, and that is the date that is retained in popular memory - in the Allied countries that is the date that is celebrated as Armistice Day. The 1919 date is the technical end of the war, which few are aware of - although I would have thought more people in Germany would be aware of it, since the suffering caused by the blockade continued until 1919, and because the signing of the Treaty was such a traumatic even for Germany.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by Adam Carr » 22 Feb 2009 03:33

traumatic even for Germany.
...traumatic event for Germany.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 22 Feb 2009 03:37

Alling part I
The church of Alling (near Fürstenfeldbruck) shows an interesting war memorial combination.

At the outside of the church is a quite modern memorial for WW I and WW II.
In the church, just behind the door, there is a plaque for the dead of 1705 (!), a plaque for the parcticipants of 1870/71, the participants and dead of 1914-1918. The small entrance room was seemingly to small for a plaque dedicated to WW II.
In addition to this you can find a coloured window and a little painting with a praying soldiers.

The photos were taken on July 11th 2008.

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Re: German WW2 war dead memorials

Post by grassi » 22 Feb 2009 03:41

Alling part II

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