Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

[George L Gregory]

Til 1940 Stalin did not occupy an official function, thus there was no need to meet him .

Is that supposed to be some sort of joke?

[ljadw]

Why should Hitler and Stalin meet in person?Before WW 2 ,political leaders mostly did not meet in person .

That’s just more claptrap from you. It was and is normal for leaders of different countries to meet each other.

Hitler was a head of state and heads of state met other heads of state, not political leaders .
Hitler was also a head of government and in this function he met other heads of government .
Before WW 2 and even during WW 2 ,there was a big difference between both : before the war FDR met George VI in his quality of head of state, during the war he met Churchill in his quality of head of government .

[George L Gregory]

Why should Hitler and Stalin meet in person?Before WW 2 ,political leaders mostly did not meet in person .

That’s just more claptrap from you. It was and is normal for leaders of different countries to meet each other.

Hitler was a head of state and heads of state met other heads of state, not political leaders .
Hitler was also a head of government and in this function he met other heads of government .
Before WW 2 and even during WW 2 ,there was a big difference between both : before the war FDR met George VI in his quality of head of state, during the war he met Churchill in his quality of head of government .

Who was the head of the Soviet Union with complete control as the dictator since April 1925?

[Yuri]

Who was the head of the Soviet Union with complete control as the dictator since April 1925?

On October 25, 1917 (according to the Gregorian calendar, November 7, 1917), as a result of a successful uprising known as the Great October Socialist Revolution, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (capital) was overthrown in Russia and the dictatorship of the Proletariat was established.
In 1991, as a result of the betrayal of the top of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the KGB, a counter-revolutionary coup took place in the USSR and the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (capital) was re-established.

[gebhk]

Ultimately, the point is that people met and meet who they wanted to/needed to/had to meet. Clearly Hilter and/or Stalin didn't. In which case another question might be why Hitler felt the need to meet all those other leaders?

Were overtures made by one or the other for a meeting that were rebuffed?

Hi IJadw

Hitler was a head of state and heads of state met other heads of state, not political leaders .

This argument doesn't work in the AH case because he met, inter alia, Chamberlain who was a political leader not a head of state. He met Mussolini many times. Also not a head of state.

Hitler was also a head of government and in this function he met other heads of government.

And Stalin was, unquestionably, in practice the head of the government of the Soviet Union - which is why he was often titled 'President' outside the Soviet Union.
The argument also somewhat ignores the fact that as well as being head of state, and head of government, Hitler was also the leader of the Nazi party just as Stalin was the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

[Yuri]

And Stalin was, unquestionably, in practice the head of the government of the Soviet Union - which is why he was often titled 'President' outside the Soviet Union.

How and by whom Stalin was called (considered) outside the USSR does not matter.
The only thing that matters is who and what Stalin was in the USSR.
On May 6, 1941, Stalin became chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, that is, the head of the USSR government.
The nominal head of state (like the British King/Queen or the President of FRG) was Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Mikhail Kalinin.

[George L Gregory]

With all due respect Yuri, the fact was that I was exposing ljadw‘s ignorance. Hitler met many people who were not the head of the State of the countries they came from and were often just simply politicians and/or political leaders.

It’s a legitimate question to ask why Hitler and Stalin never met. They both admired each other’s brutality and Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were neutral for give or take two years.

AFAIK, Hitler and Stalin never even spoke to each other.

[ljadw]

Ultimately, the point is that people met and meet who they wanted to/needed to/had to meet. Clearly Hilter and/or Stalin didn't. In which case another question might be why Hitler felt the need to meet all those other leaders?

Were overtures made by one or the other for a meeting that were rebuffed?

Hi IJadw

Hitler was a head of state and heads of state met other heads of state, not political leaders .

This argument doesn't work in the AH case because he met, inter alia, Chamberlain who was a political leader not a head of state. He met Mussolini many times. Also not a head of state.

Hitler was also a head of government and in this function he met other heads of government.

And Stalin was, unquestionably, in practice the head of the government of the Soviet Union - which is why he was often titled 'President' outside the Soviet Union.
The argument also somewhat ignores the fact that as well as being head of state, and head of government, Hitler was also the leader of the Nazi party just as Stalin was the leader of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party .
About meetings with heads of state and PMs,as far as I can remember,before the war Hitler left Germany only once as head of state in 1938 : to Italy where he met the King and Mussolini and the Italian King never visited Nazi Germany . He visited Italy in 1934 as head of government .
Hitler left Germany only once as head of state,while Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945 :Potsdam and Potsdam was in the Soviet zone of occupation .
If Stalin did not leave the USSR to meet Churchill and FDR,why should he do it to visit Germany ? And if Hitler did not visit Poland, France or Britain, why should he visit the USSR ?

[gebhk]

How and by whom Stalin was called (considered) outside the USSR does not matter.

If we are discussing why someone from outside the USSR did not visit Stalin, then I would suggest it rather does!

[ljadw]

With all due respect Yuri, the fact was that I was exposing ljadw‘s ignorance. Hitler met many people who were not the head of the State of the countries they came from and were often just simply politicians and/or political leaders.

It’s a legitimate question to ask why Hitler and Stalin never met. They both admired each other’s brutality and Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were neutral for give or take two years.

AFAIK, Hitler and Stalin never even spoke to each other.

It is unproven that they admired each others brutality .
And : only one British PM from 3 between 1933 and 1939 met Hitler .Lloyd George was a man from the past .
Only one French PM ,and there were more than 3 PMs in France between 1933 and 1939 .
Did a Belgian PM visit Germany, a Dutch PM,Pilsudski, Horthy ,Salazar,Masaryk,Benesj, ....
Schuschnigg met Hitler once in Berchtesgaden, but Hitler did not visit Austria before the Anschluss .
That Hitler and Stalin never spoke to each other is not important : did FDR and HiroHito and Tojo speak to each other ?
Hitler was not a man who much left Germany as head of state before the war and even during the war .Afaik Britain and France did not propose him an official visit ,neither did they do it to Kalinin.

[ljadw]

Why should Hitler and Stalin meet in person?Before WW 2 ,political leaders mostly did not meet in person .

That’s just more claptrap from you. It was and is normal for leaders of different countries to meet each other.

Hitler was a head of state and heads of state met other heads of state, not political leaders .
Hitler was also a head of government and in this function he met other heads of government .
Before WW 2 and even during WW 2 ,there was a big difference between both : before the war FDR met George VI in his quality of head of state, during the war he met Churchill in his quality of head of government .

Who was the head of the Soviet Union with complete control as the dictator since April 1925?

How many heads of state did meet Stalin ?

[gebhk]

One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party

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That is a nonsense. You can compare any two or more things. However, regardless of how the two compare and contrast (that is another discussion) that is immaterial since no one (apart from yourself it seems) has raised the issue. The only thing that matters is that Stalin and Hitler were unquestionably the leaders of their countries' respective, ruling parties.

Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945

I am pretty sure Tehran is not in the USSR.

[George L Gregory]

It is unproven that they admired each others brutality .

You are wrong. It has been proven by their own words.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ho ... lin-201010

https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/hitl ... ok-review/

They both admired each other’s purging of their perceived enemies.

[George L Gregory]

Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945 :Potsdam and Potsdam was in the Soviet zone of occupation .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference

That is really history 101.

[ljadw]

One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party

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That is a nonsense. You can compare any two or more things. However, regardless of how the two compare and contrast (that is another discussion) that is immaterial since no one (apart from yourself it seems) has raised the issue. The only thing that matters is that Stalin and Hitler were unquestionably the leaders of their countries' respective, ruling parties.

Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945

I am pretty sure Tehran is not in the USSR.

I forgot about Tehran ,but still Tehran was the capital of a country occupied by Britain and the USSR .Why was there no meeting in Cairo or Delhi ? Simply because there was no Soviet presence in these cities while in 1941 the Red Army advanced to the suburbs of Tehran .