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Poland West & North Territories: Post WWII Settlement

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Post by henryk » 09 Jun 2009, 20:02

The tables presented show the population, and origin of the population, of the territories transferred to Poland from Germany and the Free City of Danzig, after WWII. Source of the data is the book:
Western And Northern Poland
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Publisher Zachodnia Agencja Prasowa
Poznan Warszawa 1962
The basic data contained in this analysis has been taken from the 1946, 1950 and 1960 Polish population censuses. Additional data concerning the first post-war years has been supplied by the Ministry of the Recovered Terrritories and data concerning the repatriation and re-emigration movements has been supplied by theState Repatriation Office.
Data are based on the administrative boundaries in force after 1950. Five per cent of the transferred territory were added to the existing voivodships of Katowice, Poznan and Bialostok. In the tables the population indicated for these are only that of the transferred territory, except those figures relating to the origin of settlers.
Note that, as shown in Table 4, from the 1950 census, 20% of the total population were natives of the area, concentrated in Katowice (62%), Opole ( 55%) and Olsztyn (19%). 49% were from the rest of post WWII Poland and 28% from the Polish territories annexed by the USSR.
As shown in Table 5, 20% of the settlers in 1950 originated in the Warsaw Voivodship, including the destroyed City of Warsaw. From Table 6, the main source of settlers between 1951 and 1960 was the mainly rural voivodship of Kielce.
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Post by Futurist » 14 May 2020, 08:33

This thread deserves a map (which, BTW, is from one of Peter/Pyotr Eberthardt's works; I don't remember which one, though):

https://i.imgur.com/KHp7P3Q.png

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Post by henryk » 14 May 2020, 20:02

Thank you, Futurist
A very useful pictorial view of the data in the tables.

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Post by Futurist » 19 May 2020, 23:47

henryk wrote:
14 May 2020, 20:02
Thank you, Futurist
A very useful pictorial view of the data in the tables.
No problem, henryk! :)

By the way, does anyone here know if the Germans who got expelled from these territories and/or their descendants actually acquired the right to return to these territories en masse after Poland joined the European Union in 2004? I doubt that very many of them would actually want to do this since Poland is about two times poorer (in terms of GDP PPP per capita) than Germany is and since they've already spent decades of their lives (or, in the case of their descendants, their entire lives) in Germany. Still, it would be nice after so many decades to give them the option of doing this just so long as they will agree to do a loyalty oath to Poland or something like that if they will actually want to acquire Polish citizenship.

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Post by henryk » 20 May 2020, 20:54

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland
after Poland joined the European Union in the 2004 enlargement and was incorporated into the Schengen Area, German citizens are now allowed to buy land and property in the areas where they or their ancestors used to live, and can return there if they wish. However, none of their properties have been returned after being confiscated.

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Post by Futurist » 25 May 2020, 22:56

Can they also get Polish citizenship if they wish?

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Post by ManfredV » 26 May 2020, 19:28

Germany accepted new border. 1945 refugies found new homes and new private and professionial live and were totally integrated. How many of them are still alive? Only those who had their childhood and youth there. We remember our history, but only some right wingers have there strange ideas of getting these areas back.
Of course geman citizens can buy land in Poland. Thats european right. Some did, but most did not. Why should they?
Mayby some chauvinists on both sides can't accept, but we live in a free united Europe. We must remember our history and learn. But we have a common
presence and future.

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Post by henryk » 26 May 2020, 20:54

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_na ... _residence
Polish nationality law
Citizenship by naturalization / other than by birth[edit]
Under the 2009 law, a foreigner may be naturalized as a Polish citizen in the following ways:
By granting. This category allows the President of Poland to grant Polish citizenship to any foreigner who asks for it.
By recognition. A foreigner is recognized as Polish, if they ask for it, know the Polish language, are not a security risk, and meet one of the following criteria:
Lived in Poland for the last 3 years as a permanent resident, and have a stable and regular source of income, and own or rent an apartment or house.
Lived in Poland, legally, for the last 10 years, and currently have a permanent resident status, and have a stable and regular source of income, and own or rent an apartment or house.
Lived in Poland for the last 2 years as a permanent resident, and have been married to a Polish citizen for the last 3 years.
Lived in Poland for the last 2 years as a permanent resident, and are stateless.
Lived in Poland for the last 2 years as a refugee.
Lived in Poland for the last 2 years as a repatriate.
By restoration. Applies to people who lost Polish citizenship before 1 January 1999.

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Post by Futurist » 26 May 2020, 21:26

How does one get permanent resident status in Poland?

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Post by henryk » 26 May 2020, 21:39

https://www.quora.com/How-can-we-get-pe ... -in-Poland
How can we get permanent residency in Poland?
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Norbert Szczęch, PhD Law & Constitutional Law, John Paul II Catholic University of Lublin (2008)
Answered Dec 8, 2018 · Author has 569 answers and 2.9m answer views

The easiest way which will be available from 01.01.2019:
“A permanent residence permit may be granted to a foreigner who has stayed in Poland uninterruptedly immediately before filing an application for a permanent residence permit for at least 4 years on basis of temporary residence permit and work permit and has a source of stable, regular income sufficient to cover his own living costs and those of dependent family members.”
(Article 195 of The Foreigner’s Act of 12 December 2013)


Charles Taylor Harris, Director at The Get Golden Visa, 19 Years in the Industry
Answered May 13, 2019
Poland provides for two forms of indefinite duration residence permits for foreigners:
• Permanent residence permit
• Long-term EU residence
A foreigner may submit an application for these permits in the majority of cases only after several years of uninterrupted stay in Poland. The necessary duration of stay depends on the current legal status of the applicant.
A request for an undetermined duration residence in Poland must be filed with the Voivodeship
Office competent for the place of residence of a foreigner in Poland. The application is submitted for consideration provided that the fingerprints of the alien are sampled. The application cannot be lodged via consulates.
Conditions of filing an application
At the time of the request for the two forms of indefinite duration residence, the foreigner must reside in Poland legally. It is not possible to file an application for a foreigner who stays in prison, a center of detention etc. or when the voluntary return period has not yet expired, as specified in the decision to return or if the alien is obliged to leave Poland in the context of the decision of refusal or withdrawal of the residence permit or protection.
A foreigner may not request an unlimited duration residence permit even when he/she resides in Poland on the basis of a visa for humanitarian reasons or due to the interest of the State or on the basis of a temporary residence permit issued due to circumstances that require a short stay.
In addition, an alien may apply for long-term EU residence, when he/she stays in Poland:
• to study or for vocational training or apprenticeship,
• on the basis of the right of political asylum, temporary protection, a tolerated stay or a stay
for humanitarian reasons,
• pending a decision on the status of refugee or political asylum,
• on the basis of a permit to cross the border in the context of cross-border traffic.
You can find more detailed information on; https://www.msz.gov.pl/en/p/wasz...

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Post by ManfredV » 26 May 2020, 22:11

There is no reason for a german to apply for polish citizenship. EU citizens are allowed to live and work in every other EU county.

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Post by Futurist » 26 May 2020, 22:22

ManfredV wrote:
26 May 2020, 22:11
There is no reason for a german to apply for polish citizenship. EU citizens are allowed to live and work in every other EU county.
Out of millions of Germans, though, you will probably find at least a couple who'd be interested.

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Post by ManfredV » 29 May 2020, 12:02

And? Maybe some do. Also some Poles got german one. I know a man from Poland who married a german woman and got german citizenship, too. Another couple who are"Aussiedler" from Silesia got german one but kept their polish, too. Another man is pole from Lower Silesia and he told me there are many people who feel and speak both polish and german. In EU there's no problem.
Some germans bought houses (even their former families` houses) in former german areas. In a TV documentary about Silesia was reported about a german couple who bought their ancestors palace in Silesia back and now they run a hotel there.
Before chauvinism came up one both sides since 19th century many people in Silesia, Pommerania and East Prussia spoke both languages, had both german and polish relatives and felt as both. Or it doesn't matter for them.

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Post by orianajonathan » 12 Jul 2020, 08:13

We remember our history, but there are some talented people who want to revitalize these places.It is also true that Germans can buy land in Poland. European powers. Some will work, but most will not. Why is that? Although some media outlets on both sides of the aisle disagree, we live in an open and united Europe. We need to learn and remember our history. But we have something in common Existence and future.

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Post by ManfredV » 12 Jul 2020, 17:16

That's true. What Germans, Poles and French didn't realized for centuries: they are like brothers and sisters, they are closely related in culture, economy and other things. They have to work together for Europe's presence and future.

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