What happened to the Heer after the war?

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by Helmut0815 » 09 Jan 2014 19:38

WEISWEILER wrote:Any idea what happened to the millions of Stahlhelmen?
Some thousands were used for the Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS, Federal Border Guard, see http://combathelmets.blogspot.de/2013/0 ... 35-53.html) as well as for fire brigades. Mostly they were scrapped or converted into useful civilian products as Dieter said before.
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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 09 Jan 2014 21:26

:-)

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 09 Jan 2014 21:27

This picture might be interesting. Bundeswehr in 1961. (source: Photobucket) What gear would be WWII?

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by Natter » 09 Jan 2014 21:42

The norwegian armed forces used a variety of german equipment and weapons for a shorter or longer period after the war (you might still find some objects in use...).

Examples:
Vehicles, including tanks
Airplanes
Guns (field- and coastal-artillery, for the latter some were in use until 2001)
Torpedoes and mines (until 1999 and 2002)
Handguns of all kinds (karbines, pistols, submachine guns, machineguns +++)
Pioneer-equpiment
Searchlights
Firecontrol-equipment for coastal artillery
Optics of all kinds
Steelhelmets (not sure how long)
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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by LineDoggie » 10 Jan 2014 09:46

WEISWEILER wrote:This picture might be interesting. Bundeswehr in 1961. (source: Photobucket) What gear would be WWII?

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No.2 is USA made M1 Garand rifles
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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 10 Jan 2014 11:27

LineDoggie wrote:
WEISWEILER wrote:This picture might be interesting. Bundeswehr in 1961. (source: Photobucket) What gear would be WWII?

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No.2 is USA made M1 Garand rifles
No. 6 could be the M38 Gasmask. Not shore.

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 10 Jan 2014 11:28

Natter wrote:The norwegian armed forces used a variety of german equipment and weapons for a shorter or longer period after the war (you might still find some objects in use...).

Examples:
Vehicles, including tanks
Airplanes
Guns (field- and coastal-artillery, for the latter some were in use until 2001)
Torpedoes and mines (until 1999 and 2002)
Handguns of all kinds (karbines, pistols, submachine guns, machineguns +++)
Pioneer-equpiment
Searchlights
Firecontrol-equipment for coastal artillery
Optics of all kinds
Steelhelmets (not sure how long)
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Thanks, Natter.

You have foto's of the vehicles and planes by any chance?

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by Natter » 10 Jan 2014 14:47

WEISWEILER wrote:You have foto's of the vehicles and planes by any chance?
Some info:

Fiesler Fi-156 Storch: Ca 55 planes left in Norway by may '45. Most were taken over by the RAF, some were later scrapped, transferred back to germany or handed over to RNoAF (17 planes). One or two planes were handed over to civilan operators. In addition to the ex-Luftwaffe planes, 10 new planes were build at Kjeller aircraft factory after the war. Fi156 was used by RNoAF until 1954.

Junker Ju-52: Ca 50 planes left in Norway at the end of the war. 21 of these were taken over by the RNoAF and operated as transport planes until 1950.

PzKpfw III: 61 vehicles taken over by RNoA, redesigned "Stridsvogn KW-III", and 25-32 of these were used until 1951 (the rest was used for spareparts).

Stug III: 10 vehicles taken over by RNoA, redesigned "Stormkanon KW-III"). Ca 5 were operated until 1951 (the rest used for spare parts).

Photos fround online by a quick google-search.
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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 10 Jan 2014 16:44

Great info, Natter.

Thanks

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by Helmut0815 » 10 Jan 2014 18:54

WEISWEILER wrote:This picture might be interesting. Bundeswehr in 1961. (source: Photobucket) What gear would be WWII?
As far as I see the only WWII Wehrmacht equipment on this picture could be the MGs.

No. 1: A Gefreiter wearing a Feldanzug jagdmeliert - postwar
No. 4: Koppeltragegestell (bandoleer) - postwar
No. 5 + 7: Kampftasche klein (small combat pack) + Feldflasche (canteen) - postwar
No. 6: looks a bit too long for a WWII gas mask tin


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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 11 Jan 2014 04:52

Thanks, Helmut.

For the record, I found the pic on Google Images including the red circles and numbers. No idea what their original meaning was.

So only the gasmask comes close, but no survivor after all.

Seemed like a rigid politics not to let anything survive, and after all: it was already 1955 when BW was established.

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by jeger » 11 Jan 2014 18:50

When the 360.000 strong German force in Norway laid down their weapons i May-45 and were sendt back to Germany during 1945/46 they left their rifles ( mostly Mauser M/98/K) and helmets behind which was later used by the Norwegian mobilization army .
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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by Natter » 11 Jan 2014 19:21

jeger wrote:When the 360.000 strong German force in Norway laid down their weapons i May-45 and were sendt back to Germany during 1945/46 they left their rifles ( mostly Mauser M/98/K) and helmets behind
Among other types of equipment - as posted above.
jeger wrote:which was later used by the Norwegian mobilization army.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that: As far as I know, german equipment was used by all parts of the norwegian armed forces. Most of this were exchanged for (mainly) US materiel during the Marshal-aid etc., but "low priority" units (ie those being national assets only, not NATO, like the homeguard and coastal artillery) were the last to get "new" equipment. For example, german handguns were still in use by the coastal artillery until the 1990's.

Regarding german helmets - here is a website with photos of helmets in norwegian use (including civilian organisations):
http://www.matshelmets.se/no_helm.html

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Re: What happened to the Heer after the war?

Post by WEISWEILER » 11 Jan 2014 19:39

Helmut0815 wrote:
WEISWEILER wrote:This picture might be interesting. Bundeswehr in 1961. (source: Photobucket) What gear would be WWII?
As far as I see the only WWII Wehrmacht equipment on this picture could be the MGs.

No. 1: A Gefreiter wearing a Feldanzug jagdmeliert - postwar
No. 4: Koppeltragegestell (bandoleer) - postwar
No. 5 + 7: Kampftasche klein (small combat pack) + Feldflasche (canteen) - postwar
No. 6: looks a bit too long for a WWII gas mask tin


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The MG's (MG1942) were adapted with barrels fitting NATO ammo, so I read. Are those surviving up to today or is the model still in production?
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