Nazi gold train 'found in Poland'

[thatfloridaguy]

I must say…I'm interested how this all will turn out, no matter what happens. I think what makes it so attractive is it sounds possible, there most likely are still old tunnels and bunkers out there, and thats why theres such an allure.

[wm]

The famous radargram used by the finders to support their claim:

And actually it looks like something created with a KS-700.


This one showing tapered tubes looks quite similar:

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[Ian Sayer]

Sound familiar?

In February 2008 the mayor of the German village Deutschendorf received a ‘tip off’ which indicated that a hoard of Nazi gold, diamonds, and quite possibly the Amber Room, had been hidden in a nearby underground cavern. The information originated from a former Luftwaffe officer. His son had now found the documents his late father had hoarded. These contained the co-ordinates that would lead to the treasure which had been hidden at the end of the war. The mayor decided to join forces with the officer’s son. His first public statement was “ I’m well over 90% sure we have found the Amber Room”. Press reports stated that the find had been confirmed with an electro-magnetic detector which had determined that the gold lies somewhere beneath the surface of the East German mountainside probably about 60 metres down. ‘The team (the mayor and his new friend) estimate a find of about 2 tonnes of gold and they believe the discovery includes the Amber Room’ the press report continued. The village has seen an influx of treasure hunters in the last few days. It was believed that the stash was booby trapped. ‘In the midst of all this treasure hunting’ another report commented ‘the question arises –If they find Nazi Gold do they get to keep it? When wartime loot is recovered to whom do the spoils belong?’

Not something I fear that the Walbrzych parish council is going to be troubled with!

100% Hoax -All of it! The media love fairy stories in August!

[Paul_G_Baker]

Be nice if someone solved the mystery of what actually happened to Gustav/Dora.

[wm]

It's not a hoax, it seems the two finders/explorers really believe in what the are saying. Of course it's quite possible they are both cultists and true believers who want to believe no matter what - like many others.

In that region there are many tunnels, and large underground complexes like this:


another, previously unknown tunnel has been discovered just two years ago:

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[Ian Sayer]

Sorry WM. Yes you are probbly right. Fantasists would perhaps be a better description.

[edelweiss]

Sounds like a indie jones story, hope they dig and find something

[wm]

Another claim has been filled in.
This time by a known businessman - Krzysztof Szpakowski, among others the owner of the tourist attractions Riese project-Wlodarz and Museum Molke.
Włodarz is the complex below. It's 3100 meters of tunnels up to 12 meters in height.



He claims he has found additional complexes called A and B.
Below, A and B are the two lowest rectangles. His complex (C) is above them. He assumes there is another complex - D, the highest rectangle. Additionally he speculated a mirror image of the ABCD complexes is located nearby.

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He also claims he has found two tunnels leading from the former railway station in the nearby village (Walim) to his complex. A possible location is shown by the red smudge below. The distance is 1.2km, the rectangle is his complex - Włodarz.

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Krzysztof Szpakowski - in the Indiana Jones shirt:

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the press conference:

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Source

He is a very successful businessman, who ran and runs a plethora of innovative and interesting businesses. As a discoverer he has a nice track record too.
But there is a problem, all the discoveries above he made using dowsing rods (although supposedly confirmed by radargrams) - he is a dowsing rod nut.
Additionally, although he is rather a weak cultist he strongly believes that all the complexes are a huge underground nuclear shelter for Hitler and his minions - designed to allow them to survive a few years of nuclear bombardment - which of course is pure nonsense.
So, as can be seen the reality distortion field is as strong as ever there.

[Ian Sayer]

It's certainly put that part of Poland on the map and , whatever the outcome, it will encourage treasure hunters for years to come.

My book 'Nazi Gold' deals with gold, currency etc taken from Berlin and hidden in the mountains of Bavaria in 1945. The book was published in 1984 (there has never been a German edition) and since then there has been a plethora of treasure hunters looking for what disappeared. There are even tours to the places mentioned in it. I still regularly receive emails asking for assistance in locating the missing treasure not just in Bavaria but all over the world.

I suppose I can't really complain. As soon as the Polish Gold Train story appeared sales of my book shot up which , after over 30 years, is rather pleasing. The initial interest in Poland has inevitably subsided and so have sales but if there is a good outcome sales will take off again. Maybe I should travel to Poland!

[wm]

There is a problem with radargrams - they are highly unintuitive, and require an experienced professional, or better a wizard to interpret them correctly with some chance of success. There are multitude of physical phenomenons that make interpretation hard for laypersons.
For example here below the curve shown with the arrow is not a tip of a rocket, it can be a piece of wood or a human body.
The other curves are some minor things, changes on soil density or random noise.

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So what is this:

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Basically it's a painting made for a client - using a graphic software, it's done by hand or automatically using as input all the curves shown in the first picture.
Professionals dislike paintings like this, there is much guessing involved in making them, they hide complexity and actually can make correct interpretation of a radargram harder. They prefer "naked" curves.

In the picture above the thing inside the rectangle is a water shaft. The other shapes are changes in soil density beautifully painted by the software of the radar, probably not very useful information for anything, but beautiful.
The question is what are the tits there. Because it seems they are present in the picture below, supposedly showing the famous gold train:

They say they are guns, but it is possible they are the small curves in the first picture, random noise reinterpreted and made beautiful by the software used to create this radargram.
Are tanks there? It's impossible to tell without seeing a radargram of a buried tank made with the same software.

But anyway a cheap magnetometer, even the software magnetometers in mobile phones should be able to detect such a mass of steel easily, but the place is unaccessible now - it's private property.

[wm]

IThe book was published in 1984

So it's time for a new book

[Ian Sayer]

There have been several since then wm and I am working on another right now but sadly nothing to do with Nazi treasure. However 'Nazi Gold' was updated in 1998 and I am checking with the publisher to see if they would like another update.

[wm]

Mr Szpakowski demonstrating his findings and the hardware used.
The findings: a huge underground structure (similar to the other existing complexes) 40 meters below ground, a tunnel 60 meters below ground, and below the structure. Additionally four trains at least 8 freight cars each.

[wm]

In the same region - another discovery will be declared tomorrow by a municipal council there.
In the village of Unisław Śląski there is a railway tunnel:

supposedly there is another hidden railway tunnel inside this one above, branching off towards the nearest mountain - Dzikowiec.

This is probably the entry to the hidden tunnel:

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[wm]

Returning to the gold train. The story began with Herbert Klose, a former Wehrmacht veterinary captain (or maybe but less likely a police captain). After the war he stayed in Poland and become a farmer, worked as a veterinarian too.
In 1953 he was arrested by the communist secret police, during interrogation he told this story:

In 1944, in Breslau after his unit was disbanded, he and his colleague captain Seifert were recruited to guard dozen or so heavy wooden or metal boxes. The rumor was that inside were local banks' assets and valuables deposited for safekeeping by the citizens.
They guarded the boxes for two days, then they were ordered to escort them to some safe place. But his participation ended early - he was injured in a road accident (fell off a horse).
The man responsible for the operation was SS-Standartenführer (or maybe Sturmbannführer, or maybe he was a police officer - Klose didn't know that for sure) Egon "Wolf" Ollenhauer.

Below Herber Klose interviewed for 1971 the Polish documentary Kim jesteś kapitanie Klose:

at his farm, in the village of Wielisławka: