Superficially and incorrectly... Really he with his comrade Lobanov came to Finnish hotel-restaurant in Turku to celebrate New Year in spite of ban (but he wasn't a chronic alcoholic, he simply wished to have fun, according "Iron coffins" of Herbert A. Werner, German sailors had the same amusement). In hotel he had a little skirmish with Finnish visitors (I read different versions why), but situation was discharged by mistress of hotel, Swede. This night Marinesco had a good time with her. In result both sailors were punished by SMERSh, Lobanov was sent to army, but Marinesco to suicidal mission which was fatal for Wilhelm Gustloff and General Von Steuben.Jan-Hendrik wrote:So what was this :
At the end of 1944, the S 13 lay at the docks in the "Smolny" base at Turku, Finland's oldest city. The boat had been provisioned and fuelled. The submarine and her crew were ready. Unfortunately, Marinesko was not. He had been on a monumental bender which had lasted three days... He did not return to his boat and, as a result, the naval patrols began looking for him. It was not until January 3rd, after being dried out in a sauna, that he returned to the base.
And only because he ended up in a gulag ? How many soviet people shared that fate ?
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So whatJan-Hendrik wrote:But according to Werner a german submarine captain never missed a date with his sub ...
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I fail to see the point you are trying to make.
Whether the Soviet captain was an alcoholic or not, doesn't make the slightest difference to the legality of the attack on the WG.
You are so competent...And only because he ended up in a gulag ? How many soviet people shared that fate ?
Marinesko never was in gulag. You must carefully choose expressions. Stalin and Soviet regime was a problem of Soviet people, not German. Everybody who meddle in alien business can lose his head... Isn't it? And don't begin this old German fairy-tale about the poor Russian people and children of Nature. By the way... What missed? Order for mission he received after his little holyday.
- In no way it was a suicidal mission. In fact it was supposed to be regular patrol, but Marinesko decided to go out on his own. This resulted in him accidentally bumping into Wilhelm Gustlov. 9 hours later he sunk another large German transport.In result both sailors were punished by SMERSh, Lobanov was sent to army, but Marinesco to suicidal mission
Actually before departed, Marinesko was told he would better achieve something in this patrol, after spended some time in his assigned area without any contact, he descided to move to the arear near the shore where was officially forbidoned to entered because of the shallow water, but Marinesko suspected there would be some German ships in that area, and went for it without bother to inform his superior, because "why should I report ? they would not approve anywar"
It is a fact that a sub from a finnish situated soviet base in Hanko sunk W Gustlof, but I doubt Marinenko had an affair with a swedish mistress in a hotel night before the sinking in Turku/Åbo. BTW Row are you a russian living in Riga ?RoW wrote: In hotel he had a little skirmish with Finnish visitors (I read different versions why), but situation was discharged by mistress of hotel, Swede. This night Marinesco had a good time with her. In result both sailors were punished by SMERSh, Lobanov was sent to army, but Marinesco to suicidal mission which was fatal for Wilhelm Gustloff and General Von Steuben.
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Topspeed
What about mistress... I read modern memoirs of colleagues of Marinesko. Many details in this story are changeable, but everybody repeats about the mistress of hotel.Topspeed wrote:It is a fact that a sub from a finnish situated soviet base in Hanko sunk W Gustlof, but I doubt Marinenko had an affair with a swedish mistress in a hotel night before the sinking in Turku/Åbo. BTW Row are you a russian living in Riga ?RoW wrote: In hotel he had a little skirmish with Finnish visitors (I read different versions why), but situation was discharged by mistress of hotel, Swede. This night Marinesco had a good time with her. In result both sailors were punished by SMERSh, Lobanov was sent to army, but Marinesco to suicidal mission which was fatal for Wilhelm Gustloff and General Von Steuben.
best Regards,
Topspeed
Of course I am Russian... But why do you ask?
How on earth would there have been a change of an affair when there are practically no swedish babes in Turku in 1945 and a relationship with a soviet u-boat chief would have been a scandal. How did they possibly communicate..sign language ?RoW wrote:What about mistress... I read modern memoirs of colleagues of Marinesko.It is a fact that a sub from a finnish situated soviet base in Hanko sunk W Gustlof, but I doubt Marinenko had an affair with a swedish mistress in a hotel night before the sinking in Turku/Åbo.
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Topspeed