What image or event of 2nd World War has moved you the most?

[tonyh]

>>Was it like this one from WWI?<<

Kind of Scott, but not so grim. Thats probably the mud of Pashendale, is it?

Tony

[Scott Smith]

>>Was it like this one from WWI?<<

Kind of Scott, but not so grim. Thats probably the mud of Pashendale, is it?

You got it. There's a really great one showing British soldiers during WWI but I couldn't find it online.

[Roberto]

The one that some around here claim to be fake...

Is brutal.

Yes, I think that photo would be a good candidate for having been faked.

Tell us, Reverend, is there any picture of Nazi atrocities that you would not consider "a good candidate for having been faked"?

How do we know that the woman with baby is Jewish?

What does it matter if she was a Jewish victims of Einsatzgruppen massacres or just a hapless Ukrainian or Belorussian peasant massacred in the course of a German "anti-partisan" operation?

It may come as a surprise but the Germans fought alongside many civilian refugees, especially while they were on the retreat, and not just German civilians.

Which gave them the right to butcher those of them they didn't like, I suppose.

So the presence of civilians on the battlefield is nothing unusual

Do you call a massacre site a "battlefield", Reverend?

and it doesn't even look like the rifle is aimed at the woman.

Why, has the Reverend all of a sudden become a photo expert? Or is he uncritically parroting the crap that Udo Walendy or some other enlightened "Revisionist" spirit has been parroting?

Of course, it could simply be a cut-and-paste job, which could account for the compositional oddness of it.

The "compositional oddness" exists only in the Reverend's mind, I dare say.

I don't know.

Well, if you can provide no evidence to the picture having been "faked", better hold your breath, Reverend. "Could be" is not an argument, especially when backed by nothing other than apologetic wishful thinking.

Nice picture. It proves nothing.

No picture proves anything on its own. But a picture can be an interesting part of the puzzle in conjunction with eyewitness depositions and/or documentary evidence, such as the Operational Situation Reports USSR, some of which are translated under the link

http://www.pgonline.com/electriczen/einsatz.html

[/quote]Nobody is denying that the Germans (Wehrmacht and SS), as well as foreign Axis troops and brigands, committed massacres and atrocities.[/quote]

No, the freaks just try to sell us the idea that the killers were "brigands" acting against orders, even though they submitted detailed and regular reports to their superiors about what they did.

Some more victims of Wehrmacht and SS "brigands" - or just collateral casualties of a "very brutal war":

Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know: the history of the Holocaust
as told in the United States Holocaust Museum. ISBN O-316-09135-9 (hc).
First edition 1993.

Page 96. Caption to photo reads:

Mass graves of seven thousand murdered in Khmelnitski Proskurov,
Ukraine, January 1943. _Museum of the Polish Army, Warsaw, Poland._

Source of quote:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/ft ... -grave.ref

[Roberto]

My favorite images:

DMITRI BALTERMANTS
Sorrow-stricken, 1942



ROBERT CAPA
Chartres, France, August 18, 1944

http://www.temple.edu/photo/photographe ... capa2.html

[tonyh]

Is it the one showing the British soldiers waist deep in mud looking up at the photographer, with absolutely blank faces. Simply no emotion at all.

Tony.

By the way, have you ever seen "Regeneration"?

[member7]

Hitler standing in front of the Eiffel tower in Paris. At last the Fuhrer was victorious.

[Zapfenstreich]

....was the picture of the burned Chinese baby sitting by himself and crying in the rubble of a bombed out city, probably Shanghai.

Answer me this guys and gals. The Japs delighted in murdering, raping and torturing civilians and POW's by the hundreds of thousands but only the Germans are the bad guys. Why were these murdering little rats allowed to get away with it while the Germans were punished for decades?

Z

[member7]

The Germans were punished more because the big three hated them the most.

[Dr. Tempura]

....was the picture of the burned Chinese baby sitting by himself and crying in the rubble of a bombed out city, probably Hong Cong or Nanking.

Answer me this guys and gals. The Japs delighted in murdering, raping and torturing civilians and POW's by the hundreds of thousands but only the Germans are the bad guys. Why were these murdering little rats allowed to get away with it while the Germans were punished for decades?

Z

I think its was set in Shanghi...
BTW. Its Hong Kong.

About the Japanese, I think their atrocities were not publized as much and less people in the world hate them mostly due to how the media is unfamiliar with the East. IMO they focus more on the European theater because its more intimate, closer to them as they're in the same racial catagory.

Like today, I went to a local bookstore and checked out the WW2 section, at least 60% of it is about the European theater and its campaings, the rest were about uniforms, u-boats, North Africa. I only saw one book about the East and it was about Iwoa Jima.

Here in Hong Kong, every year there are protests about how Japan should formally appoligize to the destruction they did. People here hate the Japs ALOT more than the Germans... i guess its just where you are in the world.

[Dr. Tempura]

Who the guy on the right of the Paris photo?

Albert Speer, Hiter./.....and who ?

[Caldric]

Answer me this guys and gals. The Japs delighted in murdering, raping and torturing civilians and POW's by the hundreds of thousands but only the Germans are the bad guys. Why were these murdering little rats allowed to get away with it while the Germans were punished for decades?

Many of the Japanese were executed by the tribunals. Including their leader of many years Tojo. But there was to many to escape the hanging.

[kobold]

Who the guy on the right of the Paris photo?

Albert Speer, Hiter./.....and who ?

I asked that recently - in this thread :
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... php?t=4676

Albert Speer & Arno Breker I was informed.


Dave

[kobold]

A few pics of children and civillians in wartime including the baby in shanghai mentioned a few posts above.



http://www.walkerboyz.pwp.blueyonder.co ... lians.html


http://www.walkerboyz.pwp.blueyonder.co ... ldren.html

Does anyone know any details of the Japanese family in one of the pics?
They were apparently sent to a relocation centre despite having a son wearing US Army uniform.
Were they the subject of any "famous" articles or stories?

Dave

[Zapfenstreich]

....was the picture of the burned Chinese baby sitting by himself and crying in the rubble of a bombed out city, probably Hong Cong or Nanking.

Answer me this guys and gals. The Japs delighted in murdering, raping and torturing civilians and POW's by the hundreds of thousands but only the Germans are the bad guys. Why were these murdering little rats allowed to get away with it while the Germans were punished for decades?

Z

I think its was set in Shanghi...
BTW. Its Hong Kong.

Thank you. I have corrected it.
BTW. It's Shanghai.

Z

[Gott]

the picture that moved is the one when a sad German officer eating his cold can of food in the rubbles of Berlin after Germany surrendered. That picture moved me because there is a lot more after it. Division of Germany. Both Germanys rebuilt. West German economic miracle. The Berlin Wall. Germany becomes one again. I think if that man is still alive, he would be happy today to see how Germany strives today.

Sadly, I couldn't find the picture on the internet.