- "I dunno" is a rather weak argument, don't you think? Simply because it is mentioned by Western books, does not make it true. With regards western publications, up to very recently, they were very biased and showed complete lack of understanding of Eastern European history (remember, that even "Central-European" term is a very new one). We must also take note that many British and Western historians would take the Soviet/Russian works as base for their research. Only now (after the Iron Curtain) do we know how misleading such Russian publications were.I dunno, this stuff about killing Jews, Poles and collaboration with the Nazis is in a lot of Western history books.
For example - up to very recently, the Wisental centre/Jewish/Western books would write on supposed crimes of Galicia division during Warsaw uprising. However, its been proven that no members of Galicia division ever took part in the uprising or were anywhere near Warsaw. Did anyone of those publishers ever came out and openly admitted they were wrong? NONE.
No lets get back to actual examples;
- I am still waiting for concrete example of joint UPA-German collaboration.As for OUN-Bandera and the UPA, your understanding and mine largely coincide. But by the same token, it is not correct to suggest that there was absolutely no collaboration at times and by certain small groups and members within OUN-Bandera and the UPA with the German authorities 1942-45.
The example you've provided me is completely useless because:
1. It does not mention UPA but auxillaries.
2. While your assumption that police was under OUN-M is 50/50, you forget that UPA was under OUN-B control.
- Isn't that what I stated in my previous post? After Germans refused to acknowledge Ukrainian independence, OUN fought agains them as much as against Russians.And, during the period 1939 and before and the end of 1941, there was most certainly collaboration between the entire OUN organization and the Germans, especially the Abwehr.
P.S. Do read about Jewish doctors in UPA, perhaps you'll have less sarcastic look on things.