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BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 05 Jan 2006 23:50

Yes, this is EFW C-3603 (Eidgenossische Flugzeugwerk) reconnaissance-bomber. 167 were produced: 2 C-3601/2, 152 C-3603, 13 C-3604 (postWWII modification with 2 additional 20mm Oerlikons).
See the modern photo - http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/a ... cerne3.jpg (from Swiss Transport Museum in Lucerne). One more should be in Swiss Air Force Museum in Dübendorf where I lived for a long time

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 05 Jan 2006 23:57

Photo from Museum der Schweizerischen Fligertruppen in Dübendorf
http://www.ma-files.it/p_mus/p_dub/dub-m-12b.jpg

Bill Murray · Post by **Bill Murray** » 05 Jan 2006 23:59

Thanks to both of you.
Juha for the tip and bigpanzer for the confirmation.
That was kind of fun, For what I know about aircraft you could put on the tip of a sewing needle and still have room for the whole of Europe.
Thanks, as always, to Google.
Bill

Michael Emrys · Post by **Michael Emrys** » 06 Jan 2006 04:33

Okay, Bill, well done. Now it is your turn to ask a question appropriate to this forum.

Michael

Juha Tompuri · Post by **Juha Tompuri** » 06 Jan 2006 08:47

Michael Emrys wrote:Okay, Bill, well done. Now it is your turn to ask a question appropriate to this forum.

Michael

Yep, even the plane in question actually was C.3604 (AFAIK production was started during the war)
The C.3603 and C.3604 are indentical enough to be fair to have you the right to post the next question.
So, over to Bill

Regards, Juha

Michael Emrys · Post by **Michael Emrys** » 08 Jan 2006 02:18

Since Bill's question and the subsequent discussion were non-standard for the Quiz Thread, I have decided to split it off into a new thread. It may be viewed here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=93161

BIGpanzer, since you came closest to answering the question as framed, I declare you the winner and invite you to ask the next question.

Michael

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 08 Jan 2006 14:13

Thanks, Michael!
My question should be very simple for tank enthusiasts.

Please, give the name of the following tank and short history of it if possible

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 10 Jan 2006 01:44

I am wondering is it really so hard question?

If so, sorry

Michael Emrys · Post by **Michael Emrys** » 10 Jan 2006 05:59

It's a good question and I hope someone finds the right answer. I haven't given up the search. But it's puzzling. The chassis looks like late war American, but the gun looks more like early- or pre-war European. Taking a wild stab, is it a Valentine? Looks like an early model, maybe a Mk. II with a 2pdr gun, but I can't precisely match your photo to any I have.

Michael

Davide Pastore · Post by **Davide Pastore** » 10 Jan 2006 09:54

Can it be a T-50 (Mali Klim) ?

Davide

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 10 Jan 2006 12:30

Dear Michael!
It is not an infantry tank Valentine - please, see the size and position of road wheels. Tank on the photo has all road wheels of similar size, but Valentines had the first and the sixth wheels larger than others, also they were grouped 3 + 3.

Dear Davide!
It is not a Soviet light tank T-50 (by the way I didn't know about its nickname as Mali Klim - small KV?

). Please, also note the position of road wheels; T-50 had traction wheel in the rear not in the front and was equipped with commander's turret.

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 10 Jan 2006 20:38

That’s T-III (or T-46-5) Medium tank (Soviet Union)

Prototype utilising Christie suspension with small road wheels, armour to 60 mm, 45 mm gun, 28 tons, crew 4, 300 HP diesel engine, 28 mph.

Davide Pastore · Post by **Davide Pastore** » 10 Jan 2006 21:17

The Edge wrote:utilising Christie suspension with small road wheels

I wasn't aware this did exist. I was sure that a Christie suspension needs large wheels.

Davide

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 11 Jan 2006 00:02

Yes, The Edge, you are right!
Just one note - not T-III, but T-111

Soviet experimental medium tank T-46-5 (T-111) was the first Soviet tank with the cannonproof armor. It was bullt in Leningrad (plant No.185) in spring 1938 and was tested till April 1939. Engine was located in the rear, but transmission at the front. Armor of T-46-5 could protect it from 37mm armor-piercing shells from all distances and from 76mm armor-piercing shells from 1200 m. Tank was equipped with the radio station 71-TK-1 with the raising antenna.

Photo above ( from http://www.bratishka.ru/templates/im/20 ... 080716.jpg ) shows T-46-5 during ground tests in spring 1939 (Kubinka tank training area, Moscow region)
One additional photo of T-46-5 (Kubinka, 1939) - http://www.arrows.newmail.ru/gallery.files/t46.gif

The Edge wrote:
Prototype utilising Christie suspension with small road wheels, armour to 60 mm, 45 mm gun, 28 tons, crew 4, 300 HP diesel engine, 28 mph.

Its weight was not 28 t, but 32.3 t. Crew 3 men, not 4. Armament - 45mm gun (121 shells) + 3x7.62mm MGs DT (2394 rounds): coaxial, rear in the turret and removable AA. Engine was not diesel but gasoline, 320 hp MT-5-1. Armor was really 20-60mm. Speed - 31 km/h. Range 126 km (492 l of fuel).

As for the Christie suspension - Davide is right. T-46-5 had the suspension not of Christie-type, of course. Soviets built also experimental light wheel-track tank T-46 with 8 big road wheels of Christie-type ( http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/su ... /06033.jpg ), but that T-46 had nothing common with the medium T-46-5.

It was planned to use T-46-5 during the Winter War as Finnish AT guns couldn't penetrate its armor. T-46-5 was reequipped with diesel V-2 (500 hp), but its engine renovation took some time and Winter War came to end.
T-46-5 had excellent armor for the end of 1930s, but insufficient armament (as light tanks) and quite low speed. Soviet Army needed not only in modern infantry tanks but also in good cruise tanks, and new models should be used in both roles. So the serial production of T-46-5 was rejected.

Best regards, BIGpanzer

The Edge · Post by **The Edge** » 11 Jan 2006 21:42

Folks, sorry for so much of bad info.
I picked everything from Peter Chamberlain & Chris Ellis’s „Tanks of the World, 1915-1945“ (page 223, edition 2002).
But, there is no such thing as „bad victory“ (as Field Marshal Montgomery used to say), so I’m proud to present my quiz question
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