The official AHF Equipment of Allies & Neutrals quiz

fredleander · Post by **fredleander** » 23 Apr 2006 11:22

Thank you! Talk about stretching the elastics.....

New question coming up shortly.

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 23 Apr 2006 11:46

Talk about stretching the elastics.....

I don't think so as we had a very interesting discussion until the right answer! Am I right, dear friends?

fredleander · Post by **fredleander** » 23 Apr 2006 12:40

You are so right!

OK, here goes: One might wonder how the allies could win the war when they had equipment like the aircraft on the picture below - with wings falling off all the time!

What is keeping this aircraft level?

BIGpanzer · Post by **BIGpanzer** » 23 Apr 2006 13:10

Hmmm. What is keeping this aircraft (Grumman Avenger) level? Probably, bearing strength and pilot's skill

But this is my supposition only

fredleander · Post by **fredleander** » 23 Apr 2006 13:32

You're not getting off the hook that easy. It is a concrete (not cement) device that keeps this aircraft level. It can be seen on the picture.

varjag · Post by **varjag** » 23 Apr 2006 13:32

Level but only just...the pilot has got the stick over hard right judging by the
position of the aileron. He's loosing altitude - and I guess he's praying fervently
to 'His Maker' - that they will NOT meet very soon..... That aircraft will be ditching
within a short time - judging by the proximity to 'The Brine'.....Varjag

Virgil Hiltz · Post by **Virgil Hiltz** » 23 Apr 2006 13:45

The addition of full trim tabs on the elevators and ailerons is also indicated. You can do a lot of serious flying by trim tab.....................when its absolutely neccesary!

fredleander · Post by **fredleander** » 23 Apr 2006 14:00

varjag wrote:Level but only just...the pilot has got the stick over hard right judging by the
position of the aileron. He's loosing altitude - and I guess he's praying fervently
to 'His Maker' - that they will NOT meet very soon..... That aircraft will be ditching
within a short time - judging by the proximity to 'The Brine'.....Varjag

Correctly observed, Varjag - the aileron position. Your turn!

varjag · Post by **varjag** » 23 Apr 2006 21:07

Virgil Hiltz wrote:OK make it an official question. There is enough visible to determine the answers to the questions.

No problem Virgil - when u told the forum what ship this is - u can revert to a positive ID question
about theTBF (and if the pilot survived...given the calm seas I'd give him better than 50/50)

.../Varjag

Michael Emrys · Post by **Michael Emrys** » 24 Apr 2006 01:31

A number of irrelevant posts have been removed.

Michael

Davide Pastore · Post by **Davide Pastore** » 24 Apr 2006 05:41

Lately the quiz threads have become a bit confused. If the current question is Varjag's ship, my guess is Manligheten (Sweden) after her 1941 reconstruction with a clipper bow.

Davide

varjag · Post by **varjag** » 24 Apr 2006 11:06

Davide Pastore wrote:Lately the quiz threads have become a bit confused. If the current question is Varjag's ship, my guess is Manligheten (Sweden) after her 1941 reconstruction with a clipper bow.

Davide

Yes - I agree about the confusion. And Yes - the ship is the HMS MANLIGHETEN of the RSN...a 'shoe-in' for our
expert! (What in heavens name were u doing up at 05.41 CET?)
Davides question.....Varjag

Virgil Hiltz · Post by **Virgil Hiltz** » 24 Apr 2006 13:07

varjag wrote:Level but only just...the pilot has got the stick over hard right judging by the
position of the aileron. He's loosing altitude - and I guess he's praying fervently
to 'His Maker' - that they will NOT meet very soon..... That aircraft will be ditching
within a short time - judging by the proximity to 'The Brine'.....Varjag

" The stick over hard right" is an incomplete answer. You need to have full right aileron with trim applied to keep up the left stub. However with out elevator trim the nose will fall and without right rudder trim, you set up a yaw problem. Power settings are of importance also to prevent the yaw problem. Too much power and you spin out of control. too little and you go in because of loss of lift and drag. The airspeed is critical because of the drag /lift problem. He would have to stand on the right rudder to keep the plane from rolling, the plane is cross controlled. The power settings would have to keep this bird just above stall speed to prevent the yaw/spin problem from occuring. So nursing the engine is of utmost importance also.

He appears to be about 500 ft above sea level so he has plenty of room to bail out. He could do it one of several ways. The easiest would be to stand up and pull the ripcord so the chute pulls you out of the cockpit. He could also crawl out on the wing and roll backward, then pull the ripcord. That way he would avoid the Horizontal stabilizer. He could also roll the plane upside down and let gravity pull him clear of the plane.

Unfortunatlely his crewmen do not have the same choices so level and steady until they can clear the plane is advised. the plane in this picture is most likely trying to reach an escort destroyer for bailout. ditching is most likely unadvisable as the crew could be trapped in the sinking plane . Bailout would be safer for them. Bringing this bird aboard would not be advisable as the condition of the ventral fin indicates that the plane may break in two and not stop. It may also continue on into parked planes foward there by blocking flight ops and damaging more of the ships complement of aircraft.

fredleander · Post by **fredleander** » 24 Apr 2006 13:52

If you look at the picture the right aileron is not at its maximum deflection and the rudder seems to be in a neutral position. I believe what you describe would put him over to the right or into a constant right turn (with a little backward pressure on the stick). To counter this he would actually need a touch of L E F T rudder. Which would be a balancing act. That is, if his intention is to go straight ahead.

As it is, I believe the increased drag from the left wing stub is compensating for the braking action of the right aileron. As long as he's got power, and can compensate the inferior lift and drag of his left wing, there should be no need to leave the aircraft.

I aggree with you, a landing attempt (on a carrier) is not advisable.

Virgil Hiltz · Post by **Virgil Hiltz** » 24 Apr 2006 14:04

Unfortunately the degree of damage may affect this. It is a juggling act for a variable three axis movement.

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