Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by brano » 23 Feb 2021 21:33

In total, I know three JP 38 with a diesel engine. 1st - JP 38 (t) with 8-cylinder engine Tatea V 912, 2nd - JP 38 (t) with 12-cylinder engine Tatra 103 and 3rd - JP 38 (t) Starr with 8-cylinder engine (probably the predecessor of the later Tatra 108 , possibly the same as V 912).

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by brano » 23 Feb 2021 21:39

As for the wheel on the front armor (link does not work). In my opinion, it is just a place where the wheel was stored during transport.

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by arminfreitag » 24 Feb 2021 00:27

Hi Brano
I'm not really convinced that this is a Bergepanzer. The back in the photo is vertical while the Bergepanzer has a sloped back side.
I also never read about a Tatra Diesel engine in a Bergepanzer. Where did you find that info?
I still think it's a Kätzchen. In the BMM version the Tatra Diesel engine is on the left side while the AutoUniom version has the
engine compartment on the right side.

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by brano » 24 Feb 2021 01:10

See the link for more photos. Shows a side view of the bright Berge. Compare the construction of the Kätzchen 38t mock up and Bergepanzer 38 (t). You will not find information about this reconstruction anywhere. The photo was found relatively recently in the Opava Archive (CZ).
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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by arminfreitag » 24 Feb 2021 01:13

Accepted. Thank you for the info.

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by bam » 24 Feb 2021 11:30

Upon close inspection, this photo is a strange berge 38..
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https://www.valka.cz/attachments/796/Ha ... st___2.JPG
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It's driver visor is at the correct height for a JP 38, not the berge. It seems to have a shadow on the front plate that shows the shape of an armoured plate-patch over the main gun aperture, something seen on a few late chassis that were quickly modified by Czech partisans, who took unfinished, un-gunned JP 38s, covered the big hole in the glacis, making a usable APC.
But it definitely has the big triangular base for the 2ton jib crane, at the top of the front right glacis corner, and it has the large winching wheel that was only issued with berge 38t. So I think it's an improvised, late berge conversion, possibly with the roof taken off a JP 38, and therefore unlikely to have a winch fitted, due to lack of room.

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Re: Axis Armored Vehicles Quiz

Post by brano » 24 Feb 2021 11:42

Yes, it's not a standard Berge. It is hypothesized that standard JP 38 (t) hulls could have been used.

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