► Destroyed and battle damaged AFVs

Ultramagnus · Post by **Ultramagnus** » 14 Nov 2004 20:05

PanzerKing wrote:
davethelight wrote:Hello Hein.
I would not have thought a 6 pounder would have the power to penetrate a Porsche KT on the side of it's turret. I'm no expert, but I thought the 6 pounder shell was only about 57milimetres wide, and the armour on the side of Porsche KT was about 80 milimetres thick, and sloped.
Am I mistaken?
I thought the max penetration for a British 57mm gun was 78mm?

80mm at 1000 yards for 2630 feet/sec muzzle velocity,armor 30 degree slope.(Bovington tank museum tables),full caliber ammunition.

hein · Post by **hein** » 14 Nov 2004 21:55

Hi Ultramagnus,

Here's an interesting map
Armor Penetration of American Weapons

Thickness of Armor penetrated at 30degrees angle at
Weapon Shell Weight Muzzle 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Velocity
.30 MG 0.01kg (MG) 780m/s 7 1 - - -
.50 MG 0.04kg (HMG) 884m/s 13 7 3 - -
37mm L/45 0.685kg(AP) 762m/s 50 36 22 19 -
37mm L/53 0.87kg (AP) 885m/s 60 53 41 30 -
0.87kg (APCBC) 885m/s 58 52 45 38 -
57mm L/50 2.9kg (AP) 820m/s 117 90 74 52 40
2.83kg (APCBC) 853m/s 89 80 72 60 52
75mm L/28 6.77kg (AP) 567m/s 66 60 52 44 35
6.31kg (APCBC) 589m/s 64 60 54 50 44
75mm L/37 6.77kg (AP) 701m/s 71 65 60 54 48
6.5kg (APCBC) 588m/s 86 75 61 49 40
3.8kg (APCR) 869m/s 133 115 93 75 57
76mm L/52 6.77kg (AP) 793m/s 122 107 89 73 60
7kg (APCBC) 793m/s 97 93 87 80 72
4.26kg (APCR) 1,036m/s 174 155 131 111 91
76mm L/55 6.77kg (AP) 800m/s 125 110 91 75 61
7kg (APCBC) 800m/s 100 94 89 81 76
4.26kg (APCR) 1,045m/s 181 160 135 114 93
105mm L/22 13.3kg (HEAT) 381m/s 102 102 102 102 -

Bazooka M1 1.5kg (HEAT) 100 - - - -
M9A1 ATRG 0.6kg (HEAT) 80 - - - -

AP Armor Piercing
APCBC Armor Piercing Capped Ballistic-Cap
APCR Armor Piercing Composite Rigid
APDS Armor Piercing Discarding-Sabot
HEAT High Explosive Anti Tank

Thanks to Mr Fibble...

Ultramagnus · Post by **Ultramagnus** » 14 Nov 2004 22:51

hein wrote:Hi Ultramagnus,

Here's an interesting map
Armor Penetration of American Weapons

Thickness of Armor penetrated at 30degrees angle at
Weapon Shell Weight Muzzle 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
Velocity
.30 MG 0.01kg (MG) 780m/s 7 1 - - -
.50 MG 0.04kg (HMG) 884m/s 13 7 3 - -
37mm L/45 0.685kg(AP) 762m/s 50 36 22 19 -
37mm L/53 0.87kg (AP) 885m/s 60 53 41 30 -
0.87kg (APCBC) 885m/s 58 52 45 38 -
57mm L/50 2.9kg (AP) 820m/s 117 90 74 52 40
2.83kg (APCBC) 853m/s 89 80 72 60 52
75mm L/28 6.77kg (AP) 567m/s 66 60 52 44 35
6.31kg (APCBC) 589m/s 64 60 54 50 44
75mm L/37 6.77kg (AP) 701m/s 71 65 60 54 48
6.5kg (APCBC) 588m/s 86 75 61 49 40
3.8kg (APCR) 869m/s 133 115 93 75 57
76mm L/52 6.77kg (AP) 793m/s 122 107 89 73 60
7kg (APCBC) 793m/s 97 93 87 80 72
4.26kg (APCR) 1,036m/s 174 155 131 111 91
76mm L/55 6.77kg (AP) 800m/s 125 110 91 75 61
7kg (APCBC) 800m/s 100 94 89 81 76
4.26kg (APCR) 1,045m/s 181 160 135 114 93
105mm L/22 13.3kg (HEAT) 381m/s 102 102 102 102 -

Bazooka M1 1.5kg (HEAT) 100 - - - -
M9A1 ATRG 0.6kg (HEAT) 80 - - - -

AP Armor Piercing
APCBC Armor Piercing Capped Ballistic-Cap
APCR Armor Piercing Composite Rigid
APDS Armor Piercing Discarding-Sabot
HEAT High Explosive Anti Tank

Thanks to Mr Fibble...

British 57mm APCBC penetrated slightly more than american M86 APCBC-HE at about the same velocity because it didn't have inert explosive filler.97mm FH armor at 0 degree for british gun and 91mm for american at 1000 meters.

Aufklarung · Post by **Aufklarung** » 15 Nov 2004 00:44

http://www.junobeach.org/e/4/can-tac-arm-ger-e.htm

Pz. Kpfw. VI Tiger II tank of the Wehrmacht near Vimoutiers, France, 1944

http://www.battlefield.ru/library/books ... sses6.html

and
http://www.gamespages.net/cgi-bin/forum ... 6&2452&181

regards
A

Aufklarung · Post by **Aufklarung** » 17 Nov 2004 18:37

2 more.

Tiger in Normandy and Panther in the Ardennes.

regards
A

Miha Grcar · Post by **Miha Grcar** » 17 Nov 2004 19:03

Knocked out Panzer III with 60/L gun.

hein · Post by **hein** » 18 Nov 2004 03:38

...

abandonned - Chateaudun 17/08/1944

Knocked out panzer IV

Rouen 1944

Source : Mc Kenny
Mr. Saak

...

Unsere_Freiheit · Post by **Unsere_Freiheit** » 18 Nov 2004 06:16

I don't think the last pic looks like a Panzer IV....?

looks like an 88 built on some kind of tractor...

Patrice · Post by **Patrice** » 18 Nov 2004 08:25

Hello.
On the last photo,it is a Le.H.18 on French Lorraine Carrier Chassis.
Patrice.

Unsere_Freiheit · Post by **Unsere_Freiheit** » 18 Nov 2004 10:07

thanks for telling us.

hein · Post by **hein** » 18 Nov 2004 12:16

...

Hi guys

On the last photo,it is a Le.H.18 on French Lorraine Carrier Chassis.
Patrice.

Where do you think i can find more information about this vehicle ?

Regards,

Hein

...

bryson109 · Post by **bryson109** » 18 Nov 2004 17:35

The name of the vehicle is the, 10.5 cm LeFH18(sf) auf Geschutzagen 39H(f), 48 Lorraine Schlper chassis were converted to caryy the 10.5 cm LeFH18. They were issued to the 8th Panzerartillerie Abt. serving in France and saw action in 1944.

hein · Post by **hein** » 18 Nov 2004 18:14

...

Thanx all of you,

He Bryson I have the impression youre a real specialist

Thanxx

Hein

RoW · Post by **RoW** » 19 Nov 2004 21:44

bryson109 wrote:The name of the vehicle is the, 10.5 cm LeFH18(sf) auf Geschutzagen 39H(f), 48 Lorraine Schlper chassis were converted to caryy the 10.5 cm LeFH18. They were issued to the 8th Panzerartillerie Abt. serving in France and saw action in 1944.

One of this rare vehicles was found in Iraq during last war. Who said what Rommel's tanks didn't reach Middle East?

Aufklarung · Post by **Aufklarung** » 19 Nov 2004 23:56

One of this rare vehicles was found in Iraq during last war

That's cool. 8)

Which last war? GW1 or 2?