An interesting question about PzIVH's armor...

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An interesting question about PzIVH's armor...

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Post by Second try » 02 Dec 2002, 21:33

Hi everyone!:)

Such an interesting problem I want to talk about. In Spielberger's book "Begleitwagen PanzerKampfwagen IV" 1998 co-authored by Thomas Jentz PzIVH/J's turret front armor is desribed as "50" mm. In the former book it is "80" mm.

The primary documents it is quoting are presented in Pawlas: "Datenblätter...." from 1976 and are copies of documents made by Reichminister für Rüstung und Kriegsproduktion in 1944. They are handwritten and contain a number of peculiarities and the dataformat is maybe not consistent. (Sorry CBO!...:))

You should find the document mentioned on http://www.pbase.com/image/8237282 (Thanks Isegrim!:))

It's clearly seen that the document is filled by hand and PZIVH/J's turret is described as "80" mm average. Actually,perhaps it's a simple mistaken or it's right.:confused:

I'm sure I'm not a competent person to decide it.I'm only curious.:)I don't know any armor site and the few book I have got describing PzIVH's front turret armor/gun mantle as "80" mm but this means nothing of course.

Also I'm sorry to CBO have taken up this again... I'm wondering conclusions will come up.:)

So that it is...Which is the correct turret thickness of PzIVH?

Respectfully...Col.Valentine (hey...I'm still to young and have much to study!:cool:)

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 02 Dec 2002, 23:08

The remaining 30mm were first bolted on on the Ausf. G, and later used as a single 80m plate with the Ausf. H - so both answers are right...

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Post by Second try » 02 Dec 2002, 23:21

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:The remaining 30mm were first bolted on on the Ausf. G, and later used as a single 80m plate with the Ausf. H - so both answers are right...

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Hi! Christian:)

That is it,because it's probably wrong.You are talking about the Panzer's hull and superstructure.

PzIVG armor thickness is

ARMOR PROTECTION
Front Side Rear Top/Bottom
Hull 50/50+30mm@78° 30mm@90° 20mm@81° 10mm@0°
Superstructure 50/50+30mm@80° 30mm@90° 20mm@78° 12mm@0-5°
Turret 50mm@79° 30mm@64° 30mm@80° 10mm@0-7°
Mantlet 50mm@60-90°

PzIVH

Front Side Rear Top/Bottom
Hull 80mm@76° 30mm@90° 20mm@82° 10mm@0°
Superstructure 80mm@80° 30mm@90° 20mm@79° 12mm@0-5°
Turret 50mm@80° 30mm@64° 30mm@75° 15mm@0-7°
Mantlet 50mm@60-90° - - -

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 02 Dec 2002, 23:33

Once again, it is proven that I can't read :P

The armour is 50mm on both G, H and J on bot the turret fron and mantle...

Christian

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