Destroyed Pz. Kpfw. IV near Amiens, 1940

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Destroyed Pz. Kpfw. IV near Amiens, 1940

Post by Arhad » 07 Apr 2007 20:18

Hi all,

I am looking for pictures and information of PzKpfw IV from France 1940 (Fall Gelb ).

I started with question from http://www.network54.com about PzKpfw IV in white camo.
I did find im my archive from expired e-bay this imagines, ans I think - this is the same vehicle .The same position on the road, same trees are in backgroud . What do you think?
Have somebody some other information - date, unit ... ?

Insertion pictures and all informations are welcome :) :) :)

Thanks for help Arhad
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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 07 Apr 2007 21:12

In response to your two first images, this could be of interest:
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Post by pey » 07 Apr 2007 22:07

Hi Arhad!
At first look this is not white camo, but a night visibility paint to avoid car accidents.
They drove with no lights, and a white silouhette was a more visible alert for everybody.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 07 Apr 2007 23:00

The Germans didn't paint their vehicles white every time they has to drive during night - they has a convoy light for that purpose.

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Post by bryson109 » 07 Apr 2007 23:09

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:The Germans didn't paint their vehicles white every time they has to drive during night - they has a convoy light for that purpose.
I think he means, the Pz.IV in the last pic was painted white so other vehicles could see it at night. Not that all vehicles were painted white every day for night time driving. The last pic shows a knocked out Pz.IV on a road, it would have been a hazard to traffic on the road, so painting that one tank white would make it stand out better a night. I have seen it done to a Tiger I in Italy.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 07 Apr 2007 23:14

Good point, I must be a bit tired ;)

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Post by Arhad » 08 Apr 2007 06:14

Yes bryson109 , you are right - I was thinking of the same way :)

In Eastern Front in 1941 use German Wehrmacht some white color on Russian panzer in the streets, but not whitewash all vehicle, only the pars..

Thank to Christian Ankerstjerne- this vehicles is same :) :) :)
I think, that the left side od the tank is damaged by explosion of mine. On my pictures is visible the table with the notice KEEP RIGHT . Maybe the left side of road is still dangerous.What do you think?

Arhad

...and some other pictures of PzKpfw IV in France 1940 ? No one has ?

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Post by pey » 08 Apr 2007 09:55

Yes, I meant what bryson109 said!

I can also add that the pic is surely form 5th or 6th panzer division. You can notice at least an X left of the German cross (If you can se two x -XX- it is of the 6th PD).
As for the white painting, every nation used it during the war to highlight every kind of obstacle that could hinder the traffic, included the bases of the trees lining the country roads. I have seen gun barrels and fenders painted white on destroyed vehicles.

The tank was right in the middle of the road, so I think they painted it white overall for this reason. I also guess that the KEEP RIGHT indication is because form the left there was the incoming traffic...

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Post by MarioL » 08 Apr 2007 10:09

@Arhad
i have the original of the first photo with "rechts fahren".
It is near Amiens and there are two "X" at the rear,so in 1940 it must be 9.PzDiv.

http://panzer-modell.de/referenz/abzeichen/pz.htm

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 08 Apr 2007 17:18

Since both sides of the tank says Rechts Fahren, it would seem that it is merely a traffic direction indicator.

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Post by Sander D » 10 Apr 2007 18:45

From long expire E-bay sales.

It shows the same panzer IV some day's after it was nocket out.
There's no white paint and there no signs on it .

The soldiers graves are on the side of the road .

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Post by Arhad » 10 Apr 2007 19:30

2 Sander D - it´s the great 8O 8O 8O thanks you :wink: :wink:


I din´t know this pictures of this vehicle , only the 3 photos, when I started this topic :wink:

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Post by Arhad » 15 Apr 2007 16:00

Hi all,

I have other photo of this vehicle from my friend Filip Hronec , but in bad quality :?

To all - you have not some pohotos of PzKpfw IV from this period ? Not same vehicles, but the others ?
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Post by Arhad » 01 May 2007 13:05

from today expired e-bay next version of photos of "white" vehicle :
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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 21 Jun 2007 23:23

Another photo from eBay (I didn't get it, unfortunately) - this has got to be the most photographed wreck of the entire campaign.
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