The "G" letter at frontplate of vehicles

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The "G" letter at frontplate of vehicles

Post by JirkaS » 21 Oct 2007 23:20

Hallo,
have you any idea about the "G" letter at frontplate of this Kingtiger wreck (509.sPzAbt) ?

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I saw the "G" letter at few other vehicles, like Jagdpanther in Normandy etc, but I don't know what it means.

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respuesta amigo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by JirkaS » 22 Oct 2007 08:36

Sorry Pynkyto, but this link do not contain answer on my question.

I do not need any guesswork, i need facts.

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Post by kstdk » 22 Oct 2007 17:23

Hello

Actually the link DO provide the answer - at least i think so :D

G = "Division Grossdeutschland"

But I rather think this explanation is the correct one, that is also mentioned in the above link.:

Panzergruppe Guderian / G = Guderian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzergruppe_Guderian

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Post by JirkaS » 22 Oct 2007 20:49

kstdk wrote:Panzergruppe Guderian / G = Guderian.

Are you sure if Panzergruppe Guderian still exist in 1944 and later? I think not.

This Koenigstiger wreck with "G" letter was from 509.sPzAbt, received in December 1944, destroyed in May 1945 in Znaim area (Czechoslovakia).

kstdk wrote:G = "Division Grossdeutschland"

Insignia of Division Grossdeutschland was "GD", not "G" only. 509.sPzAbt never been part of GD.

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Post by Christoph Awender » 23 Oct 2007 15:47

Hello

Fact is that the "G" on the front glacis of some tanks is still a mistery.
As said above Panzergruppe Guderian and/or Grossdeutschland is incorrect because at the time these show uü PGr Guderian did not exist and there are also photos from the west where GD never was.

One theory is that it means that the tank is run with a cooling fluid "Glysantin" which could be important to all maintenance personnel as it cannot be mixed with other products. But this is just a theory as well and has also not been confirmed as I can remember.

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Post by SvenHarder » 23 Oct 2007 20:08

the german PanzerGruppe 2 had the tactical badge "G", since 1940 but it wasn't stationed in Westeurope and the PGD Großdeutschland had a white or a yellow Stahlhelm as badge on their vehicles!

I think the theory "Glysantin" isn't correct, because the "G" is on the front and not at the filler cap, where normaly stood those informations!

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Post by Reader3000 » 23 Oct 2007 20:22

The G on the Tiger II tank has, as far as I know, not very much to do with the early war Panzergruppe markings in white which stood for Guderian. There was in 1941 also a K for Kleist.

But this photo is from late war times.

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Post by SvenHarder » 24 Oct 2007 00:29

That is the same what I think! could it be that it is a marking by the allys for a wreck? because these tank looks like scrap metal!!

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Post by JirkaS » 24 Oct 2007 06:40

SvenHarder wrote:could it be that it is a marking by the allys for a wreck?

This wreck is from soviet battlefront area - russians have not "G" letter in his alphabet ;-)

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Post by spargonaut » 24 Oct 2007 17:36

JirkaS wrote:
SvenHarder wrote:could it be that it is a marking by the allys for a wreck?

This wreck is from soviet battlefront area - russians have not "G" letter in his alphabet ;-)

It could be the initial of a local scrap merchant or the like if it is in a country where they use the Roman alphabet.

http://ostpanzer.asty.ru/topics/sp_guns/stug4/i/029.jpg

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Post by Christoph Awender » 26 Oct 2007 07:18

The "G" marking is also visible on photos with up and running tanks in german units.

\Christoph

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G=glysantin

Post by punkyto » 27 Oct 2007 02:13

G= glysantin :lol:

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Post by jpz4 » 27 Oct 2007 12:47

While this is not a subject I'm very familiar with, I understand the most logical theory at this time is the G stands for glysantin indeed, and the G was painted on the front of the vehicle to indicate it was 'protected' with this stuff and should get priority on roads over other vehicles that were not protected.....

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Post by PanzerJohn » 28 Oct 2007 13:07

I read somewhere that it is something to do with route marches, and it ID's the the route that the vehicle should be on.

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