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Panzerbefehlswagen

Post by ljadw » 14 Jul 2009 19:36

Is it correct to count panzerbefehlswagen as panzer,as they (if I am right :wink: ) they had no gun? How many panzerbefehlswagen did a panzerdivision have? Anybody has information? Thank you very much.

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 03 May 2015 14:40

Hello to all :D; bumping up this thread....................

Funk-Kampfwagen (Radio-Tanks).

This type of vehicle was described as light radio tank with special super-structure (leichte funk-panzerwagen mit sonderaufbau) and was built by mounting an especially designed fixed super-structure onto a normal 2. serie/La.S chassis (as the Pz Kw I Ausf. A); the super-structure had the same size as the normal twin machine-gun turret. Fifteen were completed just in time for the first tactical exercise of an armored division held at Munsterlager from 18 to 30 Aug 1935. Those vehicles were outfitted with transmitting and receiving radio sets for exercising the command and control. Later the chassis was lengthened (five roadwheels) for the 1.Serie/Kl.Pz.Bef.Wg (as the Pz Kw I Ausf. B) and the super-structure was designed to accommodate a crew of three (driver, radio-operator an Commander-gunner) and the transmitter/receiver radio set (20 W).

Allotments of command Tanks.

Authorized strenght of a tank regiment before the Polish Campaign was as follows:

4 PzBfWg III (2 x Reg HQ; 1x Btl. HQ) and 11 KlPzBefWg I (1xReg HQ; 1xBtl. HQ and 1xCoy HQ)

Source: [Stackpole Books] - Panzers In The Sand - The History Of The Panzer-Regiment 5 (1) 1935-41.
Panzer Tracts Nº 1-2........................................

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 03 May 2015 15:16

Most German command tanks were armed with the same gun as the vehicle on which they were based, although with a smaller ammunition load. The only exceptions is the early Panzerbefehlswagen Ausf. D1, E, and H based on the Pz Kpfw III, while the later Panzerbefehlswagen Ausf. J and K, as well as all later command tanks. They were still command vehicles, however; whether you should count them as tanks depends on what you're trying to do, but it would make more sense to count them as command tanks.

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 03 May 2015 15:25

Hello to all :D; as Christian said...............
They were still command vehicles, however; whether you should count them as tanks depends on what you're trying to do, but it would make more sense to count them as command tanks.
I think in the PanzerBefehlswagen III - Ausf.D1 and Ausf.E1 the guns were a dummy and the turret fixed. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 03 May 2015 15:51

ljadw wrote:Is it correct to count panzerbefehlswagen as panzer,as they(if I am right :wink: ) they had no gun?How many panzerbefehlswagen did a panzerdivision have? Anybody has information? Thank you very much.

Since the Germans didn't count them as tanks, they listed them separately after all even when they were armed with a main gun later in the war, why should we ?
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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by brano » 03 May 2015 20:00

Hello, I have stoked on this topic. I have a question. Some time ago there were photos of this unusual modifications Pz.Kpfw.I with boxed superstructure. I assume that this is some sort of conning the modification. Anyone know something more about it?
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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 04 May 2015 17:03

Brano, that was just the standard cupola added to later Befehlspanzer I's and some Panzer II gun tanks as well.
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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by brano » 06 May 2015 23:24

Alan, I thought this machine.
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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 06 May 2015 23:51

That looks like a "homemade" command tank doesn't it ?
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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 23 May 2015 22:55

Hello to all :D; something more....................

Panzerbefehlswagen - Poland 1939!

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-13 ... tml#713626

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 03 Jul 2015 18:58

Hello to all :D; something more ..................

PanzerBefehlswagen III - Ausf. D1.

Source: http://www.ebay.de/itm/JE10-Befehlspanz ... 159wt_1368

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 05 Jul 2015 21:19

Hello to all :D; something more ..................

PanzerBefehlswagen III - Ausf. D1.

Daimler-Benz has made 3 proposals from the PanzerBefehlswagen III - 30 vehicles were built. Depending on the radio the designation was Sd.Kfz. 267 or Sd.Kfz. 268. Originally the vehicle was known as Pz.Bef.Wg. III Ausf. A. In this vehicle the gun was a dummy and the turret fixed.

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-13,713626.html
http://henk.fox3000.com/pz3.htm

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 11 Oct 2015 13:18

Hello to all ; something more....................

Panzerbefehlswagen - in action!

Source: http://www.manufaktur.dk/panzer311207.jpg

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 07 Nov 2015 17:51

Hello to all :D; something more....................

Panzerbefehlswagen - in action!

Source: Foto-II-WK-Deutscher-Panzer-Photo-9-x-6-cm-eBay Auction.

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Re: panzerbefehlswagen

Post by tigre » 20 Nov 2015 01:01

Hello to all :D; something more....................

Panzerbefehlswagen - in action!

Source: in the pictures.

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