German Tanks in 1946

Discussions on the vehicles used by the Axis forces. Hosted by Christian Ankerstjerne
User avatar
Y Ddraig Goch
Member
Posts: 370
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 11:07
Location: Cymru

German Tanks in 1946

Post by Y Ddraig Goch » 23 Apr 2002 11:02

Did the Germans have any designs that would have rivalled the Soviet IS-3?



Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
Last edited by Y Ddraig Goch on 25 Apr 2002 10:38, edited 1 time in total.
/ Mike

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
Friedrich Nietzsche

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 23 Apr 2002 15:35

Tiger II... ;)

User avatar
Y Ddraig Goch
Member
Posts: 370
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 11:07
Location: Cymru

German tanks in 1946?

Post by Y Ddraig Goch » 24 Apr 2002 10:32

I thought that the IS-3 was in a higher league than the Tiger II? I know that the Tiger II had a chance against most tanks right up to the 1970s but I thought that the IS-3 design was far more advanced, the only bad thing about the IS-3 in MHO is the 122mm gun, which had a two piece shell. This reduced the rate of fire vastly and only a small amount of rounds could be stored, much reducing its battlefield efficiency.

Was there a German design that mirrored the IS-3? I know that the IS-3 arrived right at the end of the war and that the Germans had no need to produce a rival design. I just want to know what direction German design philosphy was heading.



Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
Last edited by Y Ddraig Goch on 25 Apr 2002 10:38, edited 1 time in total.
/ Mike

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
Friedrich Nietzsche

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 24 Apr 2002 15:30

Well, it's frontal armour was still inpenetratable to the Soviet gun, and the 8,8cm PaK 43 L/71 was a very potent gun...

Stats of driving abilities fro the JS-3, anyone?

Christian

User avatar
Y Ddraig Goch
Member
Posts: 370
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 11:07
Location: Cymru

Comparisons

Post by Y Ddraig Goch » 25 Apr 2002 09:06

Heres the stats on the Tiger II:

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/germany/ftiger2.htm

And heres the stats on the IS-3:

http://www.onwar.com/tanks/ussr/fis3.htm






Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
/ Mike

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
Friedrich Nietzsche

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 25 Apr 2002 13:46

Seems about equal to me - although I am wondering why the JS3 has its turning radius at 0, whereas the Tiger II has 4.8m - after all, the Tiger II could turn within its own diametre.

Can't really say which one is best, IMO...

Christian

Xanthro
Member
Posts: 2803
Joined: 26 Mar 2002 00:11
Location: Pasadena, CA

Post by Xanthro » 26 Apr 2002 23:56

Some of the stats listed on the link are wrong. The Tiger II had 150mm frontal armor on the upper glacias plate, not 100 as listed.

Also, the turning radius of the Tiger II is 0, as it could pivet in place.

In a tank on tank battle, the Tiger II was superior to the JS III. This is mainly because of optics. The Tiger II can hit and penetrate the JS III armor at a greater distance.

The JS III was the batter tank against infantry and soft targets, which is mostly what the Soviets faced. It's why they choose the 122 over the 100mm which had better armor penetration.

Xanthro

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 27 Apr 2002 10:57

They who made the web likes Russian tanks - therefore they make them better - do I see a conspiracy ;)

Christian

User avatar
Johan Elisson
Member
Posts: 281
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 13:47
Location: Göteborg, Sweden

Post by Johan Elisson » 27 Apr 2002 23:21

Maybe the German E-100 project could have competed with the IS-3?

/Johan

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 27 Apr 2002 23:29

I doubt it. It was a project that was unlikely to be used in the first place, and aside from the very heavy armour, it was inferior to the Tiger II in just about all aspects...

Christian

User avatar
Y Ddraig Goch
Member
Posts: 370
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 11:07
Location: Cymru

Post by Y Ddraig Goch » 29 Apr 2002 09:31

Would the E-50 or E-75 proposals have been a match for the IS-3?
/ Mike

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
Friedrich Nietzsche

User avatar
Johan Elisson
Member
Posts: 281
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 13:47
Location: Göteborg, Sweden

Post by Johan Elisson » 29 Apr 2002 15:22

What about the 1000 ton "land cruiser" P 1000??? :lol:

User avatar
Y Ddraig Goch
Member
Posts: 370
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 11:07
Location: Cymru

A bit too big!

Post by Y Ddraig Goch » 30 Apr 2002 11:00

I think that vehicle's a bit too big!
/ Mike

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
Friedrich Nietzsche

User avatar
Christian Ankerstjerne
Forum Staff
Posts: 13749
Joined: 10 Mar 2002 14:07
Location: Denmark

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 30 Apr 2002 15:55

Or what about the Midgaardsschlange? ;) Well, well armoured, though...

Christian

User avatar
Johan Elisson
Member
Posts: 281
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 13:47
Location: Göteborg, Sweden

Post by Johan Elisson » 30 Apr 2002 18:44

Christian, Midgårdsormen? Did the germans have a project named that? :o Tell me more!

/Johan

Return to “The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section”