The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by Wilhelm_Klave » 16 Aug 2014, 19:14

Gustav_SC wrote:Yes, that's pretty much how I envision them in action...destroyed! Any 20mm, 37mm, 45mm or 47mm (all common armaments of opposing vehicles of the time) would be able to penetrate at engagement ranges.
True, certianly a piss-poor tank however you look at it - poor armor, no AT-capable gun, tall shilouette for such a small craft (in comparison to similarly armed and armored TKS for example), less-than-stellar cross-terrain performance, not a very good suspension...

Still, they did play a big role in the German tank doctrine that envisoned mass tank use. Due to low numbers of better units, these at least were there for anti-infantry support and scout duties. Anti-infantry duty remained the most common panzer role even in most of the 1940 French campaign, not to mention 1939.

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 13 Oct 2014, 17:23

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939. A constant in Poland 1939, the combination of light tanks.

Sources: Deut.Panzer I,Ausf.A,Befehlswagen,Tarn,Kdr.,Brahe/Bromberg,Polenfeldzug,1939. eBay Auction

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German armored column moving through the Tucheler Heide at the beginning of the Polish campaign; in the foreground a Pz Kw I Ausf. A.............................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 05 Jan 2015, 15:13

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in problems - Poland 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer39-wraki-czesc ... tml#303695

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A disabled Pz w I Ausf. A being towed........
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A Pz Kw I Ausf. B that lost one of its caterpillars.....................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 29 Jul 2015, 02:23

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-13,713626.html

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A Pz Kw I apparently with a malfunction in the engine ..................................
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A Pz Kw I Ausf. A leading a German armored column, behind followed a SdKfz 265 kleine Panzerbefehlswagen.........................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 29 Jul 2015, 02:24

Are you sure the second photograph is from Poland?

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 29 Jul 2015, 02:39

Hello Christian :D; yea I had doubts also but......................

Not Poland I guess but Slovakia, shortly before the war. I saw many pictures of the 4. Leichte Div and its tanks (Pz Abt 33) carried that kind of marking on them.

Fotoalbum 2.Pi.86 Polen 1.9.39 Einsatz Kampf Panzer Technik Vormarsch Spähwagen

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 29 Jul 2015, 02:47

Thank you for that page. Interesting if there are examples of outline Balkenkreuze prior to 1 September 1939.

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 03 Aug 2015, 23:47

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-13,713626.html

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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A German armored column carrying out refueling tasks; in the foreground a Pz Kw I Ausf. A..................................
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A member of the crew of a Pz Kw I Ausf. B using the tower as a lookout .........................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 08 Aug 2015, 22:40

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-13,713626.html

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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A lone Pz Kw I Ausf. A (apparently) on the move.........................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by Phaing » 09 Aug 2015, 09:08

Wilhelm_Klave wrote:
Gustav_SC wrote:Yes, that's pretty much how I envision them in action...destroyed! Any 20mm, 37mm, 45mm or 47mm (all common armaments of opposing vehicles of the time) would be able to penetrate at engagement ranges.
True, certianly a piss-poor tank however you look at it - poor armor, no AT-capable gun, tall shilouette for such a small craft (in comparison to similarly armed and armored TKS for example), less-than-stellar cross-terrain performance, not a very good suspension...

Still, they did play a big role in the German tank doctrine that envisoned mass tank use. Due to low numbers of better units, these at least were there for anti-infantry support and scout duties. Anti-infantry duty remained the most common panzer role even in most of the 1940 French campaign, not to mention 1939.
I don't think that was the right tank for the job, but there might have been a use for it, one that violates the principle of mass.

When Barbarossa began, there were enough Mk. I's to give 100 Infantry Divisions each a platoon of Mark I tanks. They would have been handy in a number of ways, including giving recon some armor. It would also be helpful to have some bullet-proof MG nests to fend off Partisans or the usual human-wave attacks that so many of them faced.
The important thing is, while they lasted they could have done much to reduce casualties among the infantry. That's the key here.

And it would have been easy to support them, they use the same ammo as the infantry, what spares and support they need can be carried on one truck, or one horse-drawn wagon.
I have no doubt that those that survived the AT rifles and the Mud would have been abandoned in the snow that winter, but my guess is that there would have been a hell of a lot more Infantry alive .... or would it have made any difference?

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 20 Nov 2015, 00:09

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939. A constant in Poland 1939, the combination of light tanks.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-osma,652592.html

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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A German tank company on parade...............
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German armored column during a stop on the move; in the foreground a Pz Kw I Ausf. B (Nº 513).............................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 13 Jan 2016, 01:54

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939. A constant in Poland 1939, the combination of light tanks.

Well, I have put in the thread dealing with command tanks a photo of this scene from another angle, but looking better in these pictures it seems to me that the Pz Kw I had a normal turret (although the Code I09 confused me a bit). What strikes me is that "cage" onto the superstructure and would appear as a reinforcement for combat into the towns (especially for getting across porches and walls ??). Well my query....................

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-14,721701.html

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Suburbs of Warsaw - Fall 1939.....................
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 19 Feb 2016, 00:37

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-16 ... tml#738469

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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A German armored column overcoming one infantry column; in front of the tanks one Pz Kw I ..............................
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Tanks Pz Kw I Ausf. B at the port of Königsberg ............................................ .........
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Re: The Pz Kw I in Poland 1939.

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Post by tigre » 03 Mar 2016, 01:52

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Panzerkampfwagen (MG) I in action 1939.

Sources: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-15 ... tml#731510

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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A Pz Kw I Ausf. A rolling around Rabka; this tank carried the cross outlined in white (instead of the usual white cross)...............................
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Light tanks during a break; the first is a Pz Kw I Ausf. B ................................
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