Pz B in sd.kfz.251/7 and 251/10

[Kelvin]

Hello, when I see encyclopedia of German tanks, it says both sd.kfz.251/7 and 251/10 had one Pz B antitank rifles with 40 rounds. But this weapon was very ineffective against tanks, did those vehicles really had this weapon or just specification on paper ? Thank

[SIS 5]

Hi Kelvin,

in the normal production there was only the Sd.Kfz. 250/11 equipped with a s. Pz.B. 41. The Sd.Kfz. 251/10 had the 3,7cm AT gun, the Sd.Kfz. 251/7 only a machine gun. But there were field modifications. So all variations are possible.
Here pics of these three vehicles. Interesting the last pic: a Sd.Kfz. 251/7 pulling a 2,8cm PzB 41
Source of the pics:
Sd.Kfz. 250/11: "Sd Kfz 250" by Janusz Ledwoch;
Sd.Kfz. 251/10: Waffen-Aresenal Special 32: "Der mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen (Sd. Kfz. 251)" by Walter Seifert;
Sd.Kfz. 251/7: "Sd Kfz 251" by Janusz Ledwoch.

Regards

Bert

[Kelvin]

Hello, Bert, thank for your help. My data is come from Peter Chamberlain : Encyclopedia of German tanks of world war two, did this book already outdated on AFV data ?

[SIS 5]

Hi Kelvin,

sorry, I cannot say, because I don´t have this book.

Regards

Bert

[Kelvin]

Panzerbuchse 39 ATR were phased out of service in early period of war and German had turned out 39,000 on hand and quite enough to equip all sd.kfz.251/7 and 251/10. And German began to use PzB 39 to fire grenades against light armour.

[Christian Ankerstjerne]

Hello, Bert, thank for your help. My data is come from Peter Chamberlain : Encyclopedia of German tanks of world war two, did this book already outdated on AFV data ?

This is a very old book, with a lot of outdated information. For a low-end, all-round book, David Doyle's Standard Catalog of German Military Vehicles is much better. In the higher end, look into getting Jentz' Panzer Truppen vol. 1 and 2.

[Kelvin]

Hello, Bert, thank for your help. My data is come from Peter Chamberlain : Encyclopedia of German tanks of world war two, did this book already outdated on AFV data ?

This is a very old book, with a lot of outdated information. For a low-end, all-round book, David Doyle's Standard Catalog of German Military Vehicles is much better. In the higher end, look into getting Jentz' Panzer Truppen vol. 1 and 2.

Hi, Christian, thank for your information. I check many books and web, all say sd.kfz.251/7 with only 2 x MG. Perhaps is correct one.

[SIS 5]

Hi Kelvin,

finally I could find a pic of a Sd.Kfz. 251 with a 2,8cm PzB 41 (source of the pic: "SdKfz 251" by Janusz Ledwoch) and a field improvisation with a captured Russian anti tank rifle Degtyarev 41 (ПТРД). (source of the pic: Waffenarsenal Band 60 "Panzerjäger 2. Band" by Horst Scheibert).

Regards

Bert

[stoveb]

Hi,

The SdKfz 251-7 was equipped with the Panzerbüchse 38/39, which was fairly obsolete by the time the 251/7's were in production.

Here is a photo of the interior of the 251/7, you can see the anti-tank rifle folded up and placed on the wall between the seat and the Rifle stowage bin/back rest.

Cheers
Steve

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[David W]

In this topic there sees to be confusion between the 2.8cm s. Pz.B. 41 anti tank gun, and the Panzerbüchse 38/39 anti tank rifle.

[Kelvin]

Yes, I should write clearly : Panzerbuchze 39 7.92 mm AT rifles. BTW, any German guideline for how many mines or 3kg explosvie charges were carried out in each sd.kfz.251/7 ?

I see some German engineer one carried 20 x Type 24 Stielgranate and one 3 kg explosive charge and one carried 8 x Stielgranate and 2 x 3 kg explosive and sccissor for cutting wires.

[David W]

I knew what you meant!

[Kelvin]

Great.