Bovington Tiger 131 colors

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Post by Byrden » 16 Nov 2017, 18:28

Concerning the colour of Tiger 131: a photo from the museum was posted, pointing out that the tank's pre-restoration colour was similar to RAL 8020. I want to discuss that.

This Tiger, according to British reports, was taken to a vehicle park and repaired there before driving itself to Tunis. After careful study of all the photos of Tiger 131 in Tunisia, study of the terrain around the area of capture, and having a local person take photographs on site, I can name almost exactly the spot where Tiger 131 sat during its repairs.

This is the Tiger in the vehicle park:

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Although the tank is being made roadworthy, it's hard to imagine any reason why the British would repaint it overall at this point. Their intent was to study its performance. We may therefore assume that it bears the finish that it had when captured.

A portion of the photo has been enlarged and enhanced. Note the shape of the digits (the "1" have ticks at their top ends) and the size of the digits (there is room to draw another set of digits above these ones).

The overall colour of the tank seems to be medium dark. Of course, this can depend on the lighting, the way the camera is used etc, and we should not read much into it.

Now, here is a photo of Tiger 131 at an early stage of its time in England. It's not clear what is going on, whether the tank has been handed over to the museum yet, whether it is in storage or on tour, etc.
But one thing is clear. This tank has been repainted overall, in a colour lighter than the original.

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Look at the cross and company symbol on the hull side. These are the originals, and there is dark paint immediately surrounding them because somebody painting the vehicle in a lighter colour chose to avoid them.
Look at the "131" digits on the turret. These are not the originals. The font is different; the "1" no longer have ticks at the top. And the font is larger; it's now impossible to fit a second set of digits above these ones.
The artist, rather than painting tediously around the edges of these digits, has simply overpainted them and crudely recreated them.

Finally, here is the tank in the museum in the 1970s.

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The turret digits are the recreated ones from the previous photo. The cross on the hull side is still original; if you look closely, you can see a halo of lighter paint around it, where somebody took the time to properly apply the new, lighter paint exactly up to the edges of the cross.

So this finish, which the tank wore for decades in the museum, is not the tank's in-service paint.

The same conclusions were reached by the museum, Doyle and Jentz during their close examination of Tiger 131, but for different reasons.

David

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Re: Bovington Tiger color

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 18 Nov 2017, 23:35

This topic has been split from the Das Reich Tigers emblem and paint schemes topic.


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Re: Bovington Tiger 131 colors

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Post by Miles Krogfus » 19 Nov 2017, 00:10

Page 34 of Thomas Jentz's "Panther Tank. . ." states "Starting in February 1943, the color of the base coat of paint was changed from Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 to Dunkelgelb RAL 7028 . . ." Actually as I already have revealed, "Dunkelgelb nach Muster" was the factory applied Panzer base coat until RAL 7028 was ordered by TL 6321 April 1,1943 and that began appearing as this color just before Operation Citadel.
The Bovington museum got no RAL "Dunkelgelb nach Muster" from Jentz/Doyle and thus could not compare it to Tiger #131's appearance. RAL 8000 was the closest RAL shade the staff saw to try and choose this panzer's base color.
David Bryden has no RAL 8000 sample or 7008, so depends on the incorrect info passed from Jentz/Doyle to Bovington and now used by it with other errors in paint identification of German armor given out to an innocent, ignorant public. Just use your eyes and see the colors of RAL incorrectly numbered and misnamed Bovington Panzers for yourselves.

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Re: Bovington Tiger 131 colors

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Post by Byrden » 19 Nov 2017, 19:11

It's not clear to me what you are stating about Tiger 131's colour when in service. Earlier, you presented evidence that it was RAL 8020. That evidence has been explained away. Now it seems you're proposing that Tiger 131 served in "Dunkelgelb nach Muster"?

That raises two questions:

1. This Tiger was sent to Africa, where (I understand) German tanks were supposed to bear "tropical" colours. Are you saying that the use of "tropical" paints was ended in February 1943, and Dunkelgelb replaced them for African vehicles?

2. If Tiger 131 was painted in Dunkelgelb, then why do photographs of Tiger 131, in the weeks following its capture, when it was sitting in a vehicle park being repaired, show subtle but consistent camouflage patterns? Including the example below, where I have increased the contrast.

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