German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Ulater » 01 Oct 2018 15:49

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Seems somewhat relevant. Related to the 503rd Heavy tank battalion.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Yoozername » 01 Oct 2018 18:10

Thee Panther-Fibel gives a German 'opinion ' as of mid-1944. The diagrams clearly show the Germans are aware of the vulnerability of the side armor.

http://bilder.zib-militaria.de/buttons/Pantherfibel.pdf

@Ulater, I would expect the Panther transmission repair to be somewhat quicker and to be able to be performed at a less than 'Vienna' level. The Tiger I turret had to be removed to perform that job (along with much of the interior). The Panther could go through the removable plate above the driver/radio operator. Not exactly easy, but it was done.

See pics in this thread...

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=234696&start=120
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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Yoozername » 01 Oct 2018 18:18

Alejandro_ wrote:
01 Oct 2018 13:41
Anyway, hope is that the thread does not get off topic and speculative...in that regards, another GERMAN report that stays on topic...
Interesting. Do you have a source (book) for it?
Do you want the original German document? I can probably find it.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Ulater » 01 Oct 2018 18:33

Yoozername wrote:
01 Oct 2018 18:10
Thee Panther-Fibel gives a German 'opinion ' as of mid-1944. The diagrams clearly show the Germans are aware of the vulnerability of the side armor.

http://bilder.zib-militaria.de/buttons/Pantherfibel.pdf

@Ulater, I would expect the Panther transmission repair to be somewhat quicker and to be able to be performed at a less than 'Vienna' level. The Tiger I turret had to be removed to perform that job (along with much of the interior). The Panther could go through the removable plate above the driver/radio operator. Not exactly easy, but it was done.

See pics in this thread...

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=234696&start=120
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More relevant. Part of that french report on Panthers used in Spielberger's book.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Gorque » 02 Oct 2018 02:49

Out of curiosity, what was the average life of an AFV in WW2. Did an an AFV see 2000, 3000 or 5000 km? I'm asking this in earnest as I do not know. 5000 km is ~ 3000 miles? From New York to San Fran? No? Was that a reasonable expectation for an AFV then?

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by critical mass » 03 Oct 2018 13:37

According to Coombs, British tank production and the War Economy 1934-1945 (London/New York 2013), p.90:
average mls before major drive train breakdown / replacement of engine under british environmental conditions:

CRUSADER 1942: 400mls
VALENTINE 1942: 950mls
CHURCHILL 1942: 500mls
MATHILDA II 1942: 800mls
COVENANTER 1942: 600mls

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Michael Kenny » 23 May 2019 17:38

Report on a Panther recovery in Normandy by No. 1 Canadian Section AFV (T):
August Appendix (u) 982CVCVC-vertVBVB.jpg
Map overview:
7F-4 St Pierre Sur Dives(2)BB.jpg
Panther location:
7F-4 St Pierre Sur Dives(2) G.jpg
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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Michael Kenny » 29 May 2019 01:00

This is the Panther referred to in the post above
Panther Map ref 450709 74-F (1).jpg
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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Michael Kenny » 29 May 2019 21:11

Appendix in The War Diary of 1 Canadian Section AFV(T) for August 1944 relating to the shipping of a recently captured Bergpanther to the UK
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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Paul Lakowski » 29 May 2019 23:19

Yoozername wrote:
29 May 2019 16:11
A Soviet perspective....

https://warspot.ru/11907-strashnee-koshki-zverya-net
Shot groupings invalidate results but do confirm multiple impacts should increase penetration success.

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Re: German opinions on Panther tank or crew experience.

Post by Yoozername » 30 May 2019 20:18

Paul Lakowski wrote:
29 May 2019 23:19
Yoozername wrote:
29 May 2019 16:11
A Soviet perspective....

https://warspot.ru/11907-strashnee-koshki-zverya-net
Shot groupings invalidate results but do confirm multiple impacts should increase penetration success.
It is interesting that the 85mm had little chance of penetrating the hull. Albeit with weld cracks.

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