Panhard 178 Sight Image

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Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Brady » 27 Mar 2020 16:49

Hi-

I am looking for the gun sight reticle for the Panhard 178, does anyone have a shot or drawing of it, I seam to be drawing a blank when searching for it.

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Contender » 27 Mar 2020 22:29

Collecting optics & finding their reticle is very difficult especially with less well known items (the Italians are impossible!) I am still for example looking for the various Italian tank & artillery optics, the Solothurn S18-1000 & 7.5 cm kanon PL vz. 37 Czech flak piece direct sight which I posted about here & elsewhere some time ago.
Anyway to answer your query assuming the French retained the APX 711 optic found on the 25 mm AT weapon it should look like this:

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Brady » 28 Mar 2020 16:10

TY, have you seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMty2eVTOuI

I believe that would be a different sight however as these are different guns ?

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Contender » 28 Mar 2020 16:21

Brady wrote:
28 Mar 2020 16:10
TY, have you seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMty2eVTOuI
I believe that would be a different sight however as these are different guns ?
That is an american sight probably the "M10c" 3 inch sight (going by range). I imagine the youtuber, museum or owner did not have the proper sight & instead used an available american optic as an example... without telling their audience :?
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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Brady » 28 Mar 2020 16:47

O, so something refitted much later on after the war

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Contender » 28 Mar 2020 16:52

Possibly I don't know much about what happened to WWII French war-material in the post-war (in terms of modifications) however using the wrong optic in a presentation like that without mentioning it that rubs me the wrong way like those osprey "duel" books that made up & edited several optics without a care to what they actually looked like.... :x

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Brady » 28 Mar 2020 18:26

Are the P II, P III and P IV sights fiction in Ospreys Dual Series ?

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Re: Panhard 178 Sight Image

Post by Contender » 29 Mar 2020 09:54

Brady wrote:
28 Mar 2020 18:26
Are the P II, P III and P IV sights fiction in Ospreys Dual Series ?
From what I have at hand Duel #10 page 66 the Panzer III (J1-M)'s Tzf 5e optic has incorrect aiming apertures & the ranges are completely wrong for the main weapon and the machine gun thus the sight is fictional.
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In Duel #70 page 60 the author states the following:
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(They also pictured the Tzf 5b on the same page)
This is incorrect only the Panzer IV A-F1 armed with the low velocity 7,5cm KwK 37 L/24 utilized the Tzf 5b.
The high velocity KwK 40 armed Panzer IV F2-J used the Tzf 5f (Panzer IV F2-G) , Tzf 5f/1 & Tzf 5f/2 (Panzer IV H & J).

The book series is very flawed & one should be wary of it and its authors.

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